Poland 1939: KIA German officers

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by iggy88 » 04 Jun 2019 17:03

Rossano wrote:
04 Jun 2019 08:51
Hello
I entered this thread for the first time because of Schusterbauer.
He is here mentioned as an Oberst (I doubt it, an Oberst commanding an Abt. ???), so I guess that he was Obstlt. (so also in div. list) and that he was promoted posthum to Oberst
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There are plenty of examples, particularly early in the war, of Oberste commanding Abteilungen/Bataillone. (Also of Generalmajore commanding Regimenter.)
Plus, there is the fact that the Korps KTB, written at the time of Schusterbauer's death, refers to him as "Oberst".
What is the source for this supposed posthumous promotion?

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Rossano » 04 Jun 2019 17:45

In Scherzer' s list of the 44.ID he is reported as Otl. only (until his death date).
Therefore I assume that he was promoted to Ob. only later (posthum).
If on the contrary he was already Ob. before his death, is there any official evidence (promotion date, RDA, lists, or docs.) for that ?

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Stauffenberg II » 05 Jun 2019 09:58

Scherzer is wrong.

With PV on 20.04.1939 a real "lex austria" promo batch of Austrian officers was processed (see NARA T 77 R-937 0593, 0594, 0595, 0596, 0599).

With effect 01.02.1939 Schusterbauer (Kdr. N. 64) was promoted Oberst with a backdated seniority date (RDA) of 01.07.1937 (17).

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Stauffenberg II » 05 Jun 2019 10:20

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Rossano » 05 Jun 2019 11:25

That´s great Jürgen, very good indeed !
So Scherzer is wrong after all...……..
Many thanks, Rossano
P.S.: I don´t have those rolls, as my Stellenbesetzung begins with 1st sept. 39.
Do You (or does anybody) know which roll numbers (of the serie T77, PV/HPA) cover july/August and sept./oct. 1939 ? Thanks

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Stauffenberg II » 05 Jun 2019 11:38

NARA T-77 R-937 and 938. The free download version of 938 is missing pages 1-487 (Sept., parts of Oct.) however.

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Rossano » 05 Jun 2019 12:16

OK, I too have those (but I still have to "study" them). Thanks !

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by iggy88 » 05 Jun 2019 13:52

Thank you, Jürgen.

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by nimbuss » 23 Aug 2019 18:12

Hartmann Jörg, 13.01.1917, Lt., -, -, 01.09.1939 (b. Podwilk), VB
2./A.A.5(mot) from 2.Pz.Div.
He was killed in action between Spytkowice and Raba Wyżnia (about 10km from Podwilk).
source: Piotr Sadowski, Jordanów 1939, Pcim 2019, p.80-83 (basing i.a. on: Gefallen am 1. September 1939, "Alte Kameraden", no. 4/1953)

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Njorl » 23 Sep 2019 22:03

Master List wrote:Zühlke Heinz, 25.09.1916, Oblt., -, -, 09.09.1939 (Bronina), VB
According to Kriegstagebuch der 3.mot.Pionier-Batl.168 Lt. Zuehlke (and NOT Lt. Hülke, as in list of officer losses of VII A.K.) was der Zugfuehrer des 2. Zuges in 3.(mot)/Pi.Btl. 168. Apparently he was posthumously promoted to Oberleutnant.

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Balsi » 13 Oct 2019 05:28

Good morning from Berlin,

regarding Hauptmann Madel.. he was wounded (shot in the stomach) while forcing the Warthe on the 06.09., and died in the Lazarett in Blaszki on the 09.09.

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ZAMO 500 Fond 12483 Akte 11 p. 71
Dr. Johann Madel

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Re: Poland 1939: KIA German officers

Post by Balsi » 15 Oct 2019 15:19

Hi,

regarding Holler, Kurt. He felt as Leutnant and Zugführer 2./Pionier-Bataillon 24. He feld nearby Mystkowice at river Bzura. He was left on this place. On the 15th Sept. He was found by advancing german troops (Infanterie-Regiment 32 and parts of 2./Pionier-Bataillon 24) and later was buried on the cemetery in Domaniewice.



Source: ZAMO 500 Fond 12483 file 11

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