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Re: Kdre / personnel der Kriegs- und Waffenschulen der Wehrmacht

Post by Bernd R » 27 Oct 2009 13:44

Jan-Hendrik wrote:Wehrmachtstransportschule was at least in April 1945 located in Schandau (source: an OKH order to the school to send officers for building transport centals).

Jan-Hendrik
= another naming / or late war redesignation for Heeresnachschubtruppenschule Hannover. (?) Think so.

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Re: Kdre / personnel der Kriegs- und Waffenschulen der Wehrmacht

Post by -Michael » 28 Oct 2009 11:19

Hallo Bernd
I’m interested in these Offizieranwärter-Lehrgänge because beside the participants of the LSB (Landesschützen-Bataillone) there where also participants from the Flemish Wehrmachtsgefolge, the ‘Vlaamsche Wacht’ or the ‘Flämische Wacht’.
The first two Offizieranwärter-Lehrgänge with Flemish participation where held at the Truppenübungsplatz Maria-ter-Heide, the first in the spring of 1942.
The next Offizieranwärter-Lehrgänge where held in the Kontich-Kaserne and also in Brugge.
The school staff:

Maria-ter-Heide
Hauptmann Niemann
Leutnant Schmidt

Kontich-Kaserne
Oberst Bock
Major Wolff
Hauptmann Abrechs

Source: Vlaanderen in Uniform

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Re: Kdre / personnel der Kriegs- und Waffenschulen der Wehrmacht

Post by Bernd R » 28 Oct 2009 11:51

Thanks for the info, Stormman, No clue ad-hoc. It is on the agenda for more thoughts. More, if so, next. Anyone with background and/or details to the above ?


..meanwhile (as this was planned for a long time)
Here is a series of additions & corrections based on the source (original document via NARA copy) :
Oberbefehlshaber des Ersatzheeres
AHA , Stab II , Nr. 2580/45 g.K. from 24 March 1945
Aktion Leuthen , Schulbefehl 1
(it is about the transfer of schools to other locations or not ["sind zu verlegen" / "mit Ausnahme"])
/ courtesy of Jan-Hendrik. Thanks !! :D

This order from March 1945 allows to extract names and/or numbers of schools, locations, small details ; and schools and courses not known/listed so far !

Wehrkreis- Reit- und Fahrschule III , Beeskow is designated "Krampnitz" in Mar '45.
This corresponds with the fact that the school under command of Major von Stockhausen has subordinated itself on own initiative to the Heeres-Reit- und Fahrschule Krampnitz. Was a short move in that around Potsdam area.

There was Wehrkreis- Reit- und Fahrschule IV , Großenhain and also Wehrkreis- Reit- und Fahrschule VIII , Militsch / Schlesien was in Großenhain in 3/45. So, must have been moved prior or parallel to the loss of Silesia.

WK.Reit.u.Fahrs. XIII , Bamberg was NOT ordered to transfer per the Schulbefehl from 24 March 45.
Recently we talked about this school and the excellent input by Torsten was : http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 8#p1366058
So, the situation rapidly changed and they had to move on 7 April .

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Post by Bernd R » 28 Oct 2009 14:50

going on with the series / Infanterie

1)
HUS 15 , Leslau (* 13.10.1943 from HUS Ettlingen, moved)
"Schulbefehl 1" mentions in the WK XI chapter : HUS 15 Blankenburg
..im Harz I presume. conclusion : a transfer Leslau -> Blankenburg before. (?) ; when ?

2)
HUS 13 , Deggendorf (* 01.02.1944 , from Vorschule)
= HUS (Pi.) ; for engineers

3)
Schule VIII für Fahnenjunker der Infanterie , Hannover (* 01.10.1942 , 1 Lehrgrp. ; 01.08.1943 : 3 Lehrgrp. ; moved 1944 : Wetzlar)
Kdr
20.09.1942 - 11.06.1944 O Josef Brüning
10.06.1944 - 11.10.1944 O Helmut Hipp
is confirmed with the new location, and still in 3/45 : Wetzlar-Weilburg
I take it the facility wasn't in Wetzlar but near to it in WEILBURG an der Lahn. See the "Neue Kaserne" :
http://www.weilburg-lahn.info/sehwert/fra32.htm

4)
I have a problem to understand the existence and the changes of the HUS at Wetzlar and Weilburg. The question is wether there were indeed two HUS in both locations or if always one and the same single HUS is meant.
The issue :
HUS 9 , Weilburg (moved 45 : Mengerskirchen)
?? - OTL Winter [(I) 1.04.1942 (906)]
this is confirmed ; the document says : HUS 9 Mengerskirchen (this is a town very near to Weilburg)

1) the text of the above "Neue Kaserne" at Weilburg, Lahn link says :
HUS in 1941-43 ; Fahnenjunkerschule in 1944
could be not wrong but a bit inaccurate in my point of view
2) a repeated consultation of Georg Tessin, "Verbände und Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht" shows :
Unteroffiziers-Vorschule, Weilburg/Lahn, 1942-1944 -> then Unteroffiziersschule, formed 1.2.44 -> then designated HUS 9 in November 1944 (when the numbering of all HUS took place in Nov 1944).

So, WEILBURG should be clarified to a high extent IMO.
HUS Wetzlar (* oct 1942 ; 1.4.43 HUS from Vorschule)
this is the second entry/school, this time WETZLAR.
The entire Tessin passage about this one reads :
"HUS Wetzlar (WK IX), Oktober 1942 als Vorschule genannt ; seit 1.4.1943 HUS ; bestand August 1944 ; wird bei Nummerierung der HUS im November 1944 aber nicht genannt (zur Bildung der Schule VIII für Fahnenjunker mitverwandt)"
A seperate HUS at WETZLAR ? Or a confusing documentation by Tessin ? Or my confusion ? :)
Thanks for any input !

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Re: Kdre / personnel der Kriegs- und Waffenschulen der Wehrmacht

Post by Bernd R » 28 Oct 2009 15:09

next bunch of the series
Winterkampfschule , Heuberg (= Winterkampf-Lehr- und Versuchs-Gruppe, WK V)
renamed 1944
Jägerkampfschule )
Kdr
15.02.1944 - sept 1944 O Dr. Friedrich Bingemer
the designation "Jägerkampfschule" is per Tessin ; obviously called also (per the doc.) : Gebirgs.Kampfschule, Heuberg
Dolmetscher-Lehrabteilung / OKW, Berlin (10.03.1943 [?] )
Chef
Maj Jordan
is confirmed as per 3/45 (and ordered to transfer ; new garrison not named generally!) ; designated :
Wehrmachtdolmetscher-Lehr-Abteilung
Verwaltungstruppen-Ersatz-Abteilung 1 (*25.04.1943, Grünheide / Mark Brandenburg)
[training for the bakers and butchers]
...
2., 3. Bäcker-Ausb
4. Schlachter-Ausb
5. Lehr- und Versorgungsschlächterei
...
is confirmed ; designations used : Lehr- und Versuchs-Bäckerei , Lehr- und Versuchs-Schlächterei

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Post by Bernd R » 28 Oct 2009 15:38

going on with the series / Artillerie
Heeresunteroffiziersschule der Artillerie , Thorn (* 01.04.1942 (?) ; moved aug 1944 : Amberg)
Kdr
01.04.1942 - 01.10.1944 O Hermann Konitzky
is confirmed ; designated -> HUS (Art.) Amberg


- new - units mentioned in the document :

Offiziers-Nachwuchs-Abteilungen (Abt. for junior officers) :
Offz.Nachw.Abt. (Art.), Mühlhausen , WK IX
ON-Abt. für Art. 31, Braunschweig , WK XI

and : Artillerieschule I, Rothenburg a.T.
makes me think if Art.S. I was moved from Meißen ?
Rothenburg ob der Tauber I take it, not Rothenburg (Oberlausitz) (?)
that's how "I" is listed right now :
Artillerieschule I , Berlin (* 26.01.1942 , named 11.07.1942 or 43 ? ; moved to Meißen : 01.04.1944)
..this one wasn't at Groß-Born on the end ?

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Post by Bernd R » 28 Oct 2009 16:07

going on with the series / Pioniere
Pionierschule II , Dessau-Roßlau (* ; named II : 26.08.1939 ; named Pi.S 1: 01.01.1942)
the numbering and its changes has potential for confusion. The more clear lineage of this school :
Pionierschule Dessau-Roßlau -> Pionierschule II - > Pionierschule 1

The "Schulbefehl 1, Aktion Leuthen" from March 1945 orders :
Fahnenjunkerlehrgang der Pionierschule 1 Dessau-Rosslau has to transfer :
to the West : as Schule I für Fahnenjunker der Pioniere
to the East : as Schule II für Fahnenjunker der Pioniere

Not known to me if executed. These two schools are not yet listed. Nothing known about them.

Pionierschule 3 , Regensburg (* 1943)
existence in March 1945 is confirmed (no transfer of the entire school ordered)
transfer ordered for : Oberfähnrich-Lehrgang der Pi.S 3

Pionierschule III , Rosenheim (* 1942)
renamed Pi.S 2 on 01.10.1942
is confirmed as per 3/45 ; so, 1,2,3, of the new numbering system (since 1942) are clear as shown in this post, too.

Fahnenjunkerlehrgang an der Pionierschule 2, Rosenheim was ordered to transfer and simultaneously was to be redesignated :
Fahnenjunkerschule 3 der Pioniere

- note the difference to the Dessau-Rosslau passage and numbering : roman numbers ! ..in a late war order of a really High Staff. Says something about the historical moment, says something about the difficulties of research sometimes.
(or does it make any sense to establish three Fahnenjunker schools, naming two with roman, one with arabical numbers ?)


- new - unit :
HUS (Pi.) Mittenwald , with Gebirgs.Pionier.Kp. der HUS Mittenwald
most likely part of Gebirgsjägerschule Mittenwald.
..which is called in the document : Gebirgsjägerschule für Fahnenjunker und Ob.Fähnriche, Mittenwald

and two Lehr units :
Pi.Lehr-Btl. z.b.V., Höxter , WK VI
Pi.Lehr-Btl. z.b.V., Offenbach , WK IX

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Re: Kdre / personnel der Kriegs- und Waffenschulen der Wehrmacht

Post by Bernd R » 29 Oct 2009 10:26

going on with the series
Heeresunteroffizierschule für Nachrichtentruppen (mot.) , Zerbst
is confirmed as per 3/45 ; designated : HUS für Nachr.Tr., Zerbst

the WK IV chapter mentions these two - new - schools (no location provided) :
Schule 1 für Fahnenjunker der Nachrichtentruppen (transfer to the East ordered)
Schule 2 für Fahnenjunker der Nachrichtentruppen (transfer to the West ordered)

Heeresgasschutzschule , Berlin / Celle (* 13.05.1935 with effect immediately from Heeresgasschutzlehrgänge) ; moved : jan 1939 -> Celle ; 1941: named 1)
[...]
Heeresgasschutzschule 2 , Bromberg
Nebeltruppenschule Celle, and Gasschutzschule 1 and 2, Celle, are confirmed as per 3/45.
Conclusion : a transfer of "2" Bromberg -> Celle ; when ?


- new - Lehrgänge :
Offz.Nachw.Lehrgang, 12cm Gr.Werf., Orb/Württh.
Inf.Schallm.-Lehr-und Ers.Btl., Grafenwöhr

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Post by Bernd R » 29 Oct 2009 10:39

going on with the series
Kraftfahrparktruppenschule , Stuttgart-Vaihingen (moved oct 1940)
Kdr

12.07.1943 - 06.05.1945 O / GM (1.3.44) Hans-Henning von Holtzendorff
WK IX, per 3/45 : -> Kraftfahrparktruppenschule, Erfurt
to confirm if moved to Erfurt in October 1940.

Heeresfeuerwerkerschule I , Berlin-Lichterfelde (named pursuant to Erlass Rw.Min., 07.12.1934 [-> 01.01.1935 then], from Feuerwerkerlehrgänge)
WK VII, per 3/45 : -> Heeresfeuerwerkerschule 1, Landshut
to confirm if and when moved to Landshut/Bavaria.

Heereslehrer-Akademie Godesberg (bei Bonn/Rhein ; * 01.10.1941)
[Ausbildung des Lehrer-Nachwuchses für die allgemeinbildenden Schulen des Heeres]
WK IV, per 3/45 : -> Heeres-Lehrer-Seminar, Marienberg
the same institution or another course ?

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Post by Bernd R » 29 Oct 2009 11:04

going on with the series / Artillerie and Vermessung [army measuring]

Additions and Questions

The Schulbefehl 1 mentions : Wehrmachtvermessungsschule Stuttgart [Wehrmacht Measuring School]

A "Vermessungsschule" is not yet listed. The lineage and the roots of the measuring branch is incomplete.

It starts at Artillerieschule Jüterbog :
Kdr Lehrstab C (* 15.01.1942 ; Vermessungs- und Kartenwesen)
01.10.1938 - 11.11.1939 OTL / O (1.8.39) Johannes Krause
Rudolf Absolon, "Die Wehrmacht im Dritten Reich", has :
Lehrstab C / Art.S Jüterbog was formed on 06.10.1938. So-called "Heeresvermessungsschule"

So, Lehrstab C was split off from Jüterbog and upgraded to an own school at Stuttgart. (?)
The date above "15.01.1942" is wrong - is this the date of transfer to Stuttgart ?

Georg Tessin, "Verbände und Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht", has :
Heeres-Vermessungsschule, Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen (no date, nothing more)
and :
Heeresvermessungsschule in Sorau/NL (WK III)
The latter is not clear to me. Soltau ? , connected to the Nebeltruppen in Celle ?

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Post by Bernd R » 29 Oct 2009 11:19

Artillerieschule Jüterbog
Lehrstab T (* 10.08.1941)
10.08.1941 ? - ?? OTL / O (1.4.42) Keßler
was located at Adolf-Hitler-Lager (Forst Zinna) ; this Lehrstab was for the instruction of :
Panzerfahrer / technische Warte für Kettenfahrzeuge / Funker von Panzerfahrzeugen

source : this nice site with a number of very nice photos
http://www.henrik-schulze.de/gallerie/m ... itemId=800
(one photo is attached)


end of series / Aktion Leuthen, Schulbefehl 1
Thanks in advance for any add & corr !
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Post by Bernd R » 07 Nov 2009 16:50

The master list is updated.
Heeresschule I, Güstrow, is added to chapter IV (Inf.). Heeresschule II (Kampfschule für Sonderaufgaben) is added to chapter XVI (various, Spezialeinheiten). The Offz.Anw.-Lehrgänge in Belgium are added to chapter XVIII.

"Sorau/NL" (Tessin entry) should be (not Netherland.. :idea: )
? Heeresvermessungsschule, Sorau / Niederlausitz, WK III ?
see : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBary ; nothing more about this school right now.

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Post by Heimatschuss » 07 Nov 2009 19:44

Hello Bernd,

at least towards the end of the war the Heeresvermessungsschule in Stuttgart seems to have been a kind of
rehabiliatation facility where severly wounded Wehrmacht personnel was trained for future civilian employment.

There seems to be some material on it in the Landesarchiv in Stuttgart
https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/o ... si=001.003
E 200 b Bü 120
Einsatz ziviler Lehrkräfte in der Ausbildung Schwerkriegsbeschädigter
Enthält v. a.: Anforderung von Lehrkräften für die Wehrmachtvermessungsschule Stuttgart - Zuffenhausen
1 Bü, Qu. 1-19 Oktober 1944 - April 1945
Here links to two articles in the Badische Zeitung and the Südkurier about men that attended this school after becoming unfit for military service:
http://www.badische-zeitung.de/kenzinge ... 17573.html
http://www.suedkurier.de/region/linzgau ... 71,2589618

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Re: Kdre / personnel der Kriegs- und Waffenschulen der Wehrmacht

Post by Heimatschuss » 07 Nov 2009 22:29

Hello Bernd,

one more tidbit. The Wehrkreis-Reit- und Fahrschule VIII left Militsch on the evening of Jan. 21st, 1945 to march across the Oder river. That's derived from descriptions of the events by horse-breakers Renate Capelle (2004) and Ilse Countess von Bredow (1992) which worked there at the time.

References:

Ilse Gräfin von Bredow
Deine Keile kriegste doch.
dtv Taschenbuch Verlag; München; 1992 pp.184-187

Renate Capelle
Militsch, 20.01.1945
in:
Juliane Braun
Ein Teil der Heimat seid Ihr für mich. Rundbriefe einer Mädchenklasse 1944 - 2000
Aufbau Taschenbuch Verlag; Berlin; 2004; pp.37

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Re: Kdre / personnel der Kriegs- und Waffenschulen der Wehrmacht

Post by Bernd R » 08 Nov 2009 11:03

Thanks Torsten !
Militsch - movement - Großenhain (3/45), added. Interesting pieces about Heeresvermessungsschule Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen ! One source more stored inside here for further research. Ideally guests find their way to here and can add more the way like in the two articles.

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