Request for Identification of Generals and Admirals

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Request for Identification of Generals and Admirals

Post by VJK » 11 Jan 2003 18:46

Hi!

I have 3 more pics to which I would like to put names - can anyone help?
The first is a RKT, the second a Generalleutnant, Divisional commander in Italy in May, 1944 and as for the third - who is he and what is the award around his neck?

Your help would be much appreciated.

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Post by JC » 12 Jan 2003 03:17

The first one, the RKT, is Ferdinand Schaal.

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Post by VJK » 12 Jan 2003 11:28

Many thanks Jeff!

I thought that the face was familiar, but just couldn't put a name to it. In retrospect of course (as always!) it's obvious. Thanks again.

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Post by TK » 15 Jan 2003 00:03

Hi VJK,
I'm sorry I don't know who the third officer is but it looks as though he is wearing the Grand Comanders badge of the house of Hohenzollern, the ruling family of Prussia, then Germany until 1918. It still is awarded by them on their own authority.
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Post by VJK » 15 Jan 2003 17:13

Thanks TK for the info on the award, it may help to pin down his identity.

All the best,

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the thrid man

Post by Matt Gibbs » 17 Jan 2003 09:01

Also looks like he has on his ribbon bar the EK, the Honour Cross for war veterans with swords a long service award and another ribbon with a device that might be another prussian order..? Very hard to see all of the ribbon bar clearly, is it clearer in the original photo..?

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Post by VJK » 17 Jan 2003 19:50

Hi Matt!

I've tried to blow-up the ribbon bar, though the result is less than perfect. Perhaps it may help though?

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Post by VJK » 17 Jan 2003 19:56

I'll try again with the blown-up version this time. Sorry about that!

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Post by Vienna » 01 Jul 2004 16:58

Hi VJK!


The third general looks like GLT Helmut FRIEBE, 4.11.94-14.1.1970.
I´m fairly sure about it.

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Post by Vienna » 01 Jul 2004 17:08

VJK again!

The second general is (sure) G.d.Artillerie(artillery, 20.4.45) Friedrich Wilhelm HAUCK, 10.1.97-15.4.79. In Italy as GL Cdr. 305. I.D. and Kampfgruppe/-Korps Hauck (10. Armee, GO Vietinghoff).

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 01 Jul 2004 17:35

Vienna wrote:Hi VJK!


The third general looks like GLT Helmut FRIEBE, 4.11.94-14.1.1970.
I´m fairly sure about it.

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Hallo Vienna,

here is Friebe in comparison with another pic

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Post by Vienna » 01 Jul 2004 17:47

Hallo Oberstab!

Now I am sure. Thanks

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Post by FANGIO » 02 Jul 2004 12:42

Vienna wrote:The second general is (sure) G.d.Artillerie(artillery, 20.4.45) Friedrich Wilhelm HAUCK, 10.1.97-15.4.79. In Italy as GL Cdr. 305. I.D. and Kampfgruppe/-Korps Hauck (10. Armee, GO Vietinghoff).


I agree with Vienna: Grl d Art F-W Hauck:
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Post by Stauffenberg II » 03 Jul 2004 08:39

Hi all!

We already had a discussion about X.jpg. Some regulards indeed voted for Friebe (Helmut). But it can´t be him - not at all - if the pic (neck order) isn´t faked.

The man is wearing the Commander´s Cross with swords of the "House Order of Hohenzollern" a very high and rare award that was only awarded to very, very senior officers of WW I. One of them was the later "Chef der Heeresleitung", Gen. d. Inf. Walter Reinhardt. I don´t know a single further recipient (Reinhardt apart). Little Friebe was way too young and junior to get the award and didn´t receive it according to the pre war rank lists. But he received the Knight´s Cross of the House Order, the lower ranking grade.

Glenn actually raised a good point some months ago stating that he wondered if the man could be a Prince of Hohenzollern. I have to admit that this is the most probable solution provided the pic is not faked.

Hauck and Schaal - of course - I agree!

Regards!

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 03 Jul 2004 09:59

Stauffenberg II wrote:Hi all!

We already had a discussion about X.jpg. Some regulards indeed voted for Friebe (Helmut). But it can´t be him - not at all - if the pic (neck order) isn´t faked.

The man is wearing the Commander´s Cross of the "House Order of Hohenzollern" a very high and rare award that was only awarded to very, very senior officers of WW I. One of them was the later "Chef der Heeresleitung", Gen. d. Inf. Walter Reinhardt. I don´t know a single further recipient (Reinhardt apart). Little Friebe was way too young and junior to get the award and didn´t receive it according to the pre war rank lists. But he received the Knight´s Cross of the House Order, the lower ranking grade.

Glenn actually raised a good point some months ago stating that he wondered if the man could be a Prince of Hohenzollern. I have to admit that this is the most probable solution provided the pic is not faked.

Hauck and Schaal - of course - I agree!

Regards!


Morning Stauffenberg,

I think you are right. Now we have a new discussion for all researchers.

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