Request for Identification of Generals and Admirals
- Stauffenberg II
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Maybe this is of help. I once received a list with (almost) all German Army Generals in Africa:
x x x x x
Rommel (Erwin)
x x x x
von Arnim (Hans)
x x x (in RDA order)
Stumme (Georg)
Crüwell (Ludwig)
Nehring (Walter)
Fehn (Gustav)
Ritter von Thoma (Wilhelm)
Fischer (Wolfgang)
von Vaerst (Gustav)
Cramer (Hans)
Ziegler (Heinz)
Freiherr von Esebeck (Hans)
von Herff (Maximilian)
Kleemann (Ulrich)
von Manteuffel (Hasso)
Ramcke (Hermann)
Westphal (Siegfried)
Graf von Schwerin (Gerhard)
x x (in RDA order)
von Prittwitz und Gaffron (Heinrich)
Neumann-Silkow (Walter)
Böttcher (Karl)
Kirchheim (Heinrich)
von Bismarck (Georg)
von Randow (Heinz)
Schmitt (Artur)
Gause (Alfred)
Freiherr von Broich (Friedrich)
Borowietz (Willibald)
Graf von Sponeck (Theodor)
Lungershausen (Karl)
Menny (Erwin)
von Ravenstein (Johann)
Streich (Johannes)
Thomas (Kurt)
Bayerlein (Friedrich)
Hildebrandt (Hans)
Weber (Friedrich)
Marcks (Werner)
x (in RDA order)
Sümmermann (Max)
Krause (Friedrich)
Dr. Olbrich (Herbert)
Freiherr von Liebenstein (Kurt)
von Hülsen (Heinrich)
von Quast (August)
Hauser (Wolf)
Müller (Gerhard)
Franz (Gerhard)
von Mellenthin (Friedrich)
I I I (in alphabetical order)
von dem Borne (Klaus) ... i. G.
Irkens (Josef) ... i. G.
Knabe (Gustav) ... i. G.
Pomtow (Heinz) ... i. G.
Graf Schenk von Stauffenberg (Klaus) ... i. G.
Stephan (Friedrich)
Teege (Wilhelm)
Freiherr von Wechmar (Irnfried)
x x x x x
Rommel (Erwin)
x x x x
von Arnim (Hans)
x x x (in RDA order)
Stumme (Georg)
Crüwell (Ludwig)
Nehring (Walter)
Fehn (Gustav)
Ritter von Thoma (Wilhelm)
Fischer (Wolfgang)
von Vaerst (Gustav)
Cramer (Hans)
Ziegler (Heinz)
Freiherr von Esebeck (Hans)
von Herff (Maximilian)
Kleemann (Ulrich)
von Manteuffel (Hasso)
Ramcke (Hermann)
Westphal (Siegfried)
Graf von Schwerin (Gerhard)
x x (in RDA order)
von Prittwitz und Gaffron (Heinrich)
Neumann-Silkow (Walter)
Böttcher (Karl)
Kirchheim (Heinrich)
von Bismarck (Georg)
von Randow (Heinz)
Schmitt (Artur)
Gause (Alfred)
Freiherr von Broich (Friedrich)
Borowietz (Willibald)
Graf von Sponeck (Theodor)
Lungershausen (Karl)
Menny (Erwin)
von Ravenstein (Johann)
Streich (Johannes)
Thomas (Kurt)
Bayerlein (Friedrich)
Hildebrandt (Hans)
Weber (Friedrich)
Marcks (Werner)
x (in RDA order)
Sümmermann (Max)
Krause (Friedrich)
Dr. Olbrich (Herbert)
Freiherr von Liebenstein (Kurt)
von Hülsen (Heinrich)
von Quast (August)
Hauser (Wolf)
Müller (Gerhard)
Franz (Gerhard)
von Mellenthin (Friedrich)
I I I (in alphabetical order)
von dem Borne (Klaus) ... i. G.
Irkens (Josef) ... i. G.
Knabe (Gustav) ... i. G.
Pomtow (Heinz) ... i. G.
Graf Schenk von Stauffenberg (Klaus) ... i. G.
Stephan (Friedrich)
Teege (Wilhelm)
Freiherr von Wechmar (Irnfried)
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- J.N. Houterman
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... and to add to the confusion this picture. Rommel together with an officer (general?) with similar goggles as in the first picture. The caption reads El Alamein, October 1942. Although... I have a similar picture of Rommel (not showing the goggled officer though) stating 17 Febr. 1942 in Nordafrika.
Is perhaps Johannes Streich an option?
Cheers,
Hans
Is perhaps Johannes Streich an option?
Cheers,
Hans
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I don't think that it is either Streich or Fischer, as both had a chin cleft that is not visible in the subject. Crüwell had the correct chin, but the eyes are all wrong.
I think that Tunisia is the setting and early '43 is the time frame. The shot of Nehring that Steen posted is a good example of the dress of that time and it seems a good match with others in the subject photo. How about a visiting General from Berlin in Tunisia, early '43?
The group shot that Hans posted is interesting too. That's surely v.Ravenstein next to Rommel... making it '41...??
BR..........JC
I think that Tunisia is the setting and early '43 is the time frame. The shot of Nehring that Steen posted is a good example of the dress of that time and it seems a good match with others in the subject photo. How about a visiting General from Berlin in Tunisia, early '43?
The group shot that Hans posted is interesting too. That's surely v.Ravenstein next to Rommel... making it '41...??
BR..........JC
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A further participant ... a further opinion. My guess would have been Mellenthin. OK, I surrender!
Btw: Found another Africa General. It´s Gen. Maj. Friedrich Krause. But watching his pic at http://www.houterman.htmlplanet.com he is not the man shown in the pics, either.
Regards
Btw: Found another Africa General. It´s Gen. Maj. Friedrich Krause. But watching his pic at http://www.houterman.htmlplanet.com he is not the man shown in the pics, either.
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I've trailed through everything. It looks most like Crüwell to be honest, you're right about the nose. If you look at the eyes & ears, Crüwell's the most likely, although I'm not entirely put off the v. Kleist idea...
In that other picture from Africa, from left to right it's Bayerlein, Westphal, Rommel.
In that other picture from Africa, from left to right it's Bayerlein, Westphal, Rommel.
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Gareth,
I'll go along with Rommel & Westphal on the group photo, but not with Bayerlein. It sure ain't him. Can't identify him positively right now (don't know much about the Afrikakorps, unfortunately...). But it's the same officer as shown on this picture between Rommel and Italian general Azzi.
Cheers,
Hans
I'll go along with Rommel & Westphal on the group photo, but not with Bayerlein. It sure ain't him. Can't identify him positively right now (don't know much about the Afrikakorps, unfortunately...). But it's the same officer as shown on this picture between Rommel and Italian general Azzi.
Cheers,
Hans
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Dolmetscher
This officer appears to be a Sonderführer (K) or Special Leader in the rank of Hauptmann. Note the coloured threads on his shoulder boards. Most likely a Translator (Dolmetscher). The senior translator on the Afrikakorps staff was one Sonderführer Freiherr von Neurath.
Regards
Glenn
Regards
Glenn
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