Request for Identification of Generals and Admirals

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Request for Identification of Generals and Admirals

Post by VJK » 11 Jan 2003 18:46

Hi!

I have 3 more pics to which I would like to put names - can anyone help?
The first is a RKT, the second a Generalleutnant, Divisional commander in Italy in May, 1944 and as for the third - who is he and what is the award around his neck?

Your help would be much appreciated.

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Post by JC » 12 Jan 2003 03:17

The first one, the RKT, is Ferdinand Schaal.

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Post by VJK » 12 Jan 2003 11:28

Many thanks Jeff!

I thought that the face was familiar, but just couldn't put a name to it. In retrospect of course (as always!) it's obvious. Thanks again.

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Post by TK » 15 Jan 2003 00:03

Hi VJK,
I'm sorry I don't know who the third officer is but it looks as though he is wearing the Grand Comanders badge of the house of Hohenzollern, the ruling family of Prussia, then Germany until 1918. It still is awarded by them on their own authority.
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Post by VJK » 15 Jan 2003 17:13

Thanks TK for the info on the award, it may help to pin down his identity.

All the best,

VJK

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the thrid man

Post by Matt Gibbs » 17 Jan 2003 09:01

Also looks like he has on his ribbon bar the EK, the Honour Cross for war veterans with swords a long service award and another ribbon with a device that might be another prussian order..? Very hard to see all of the ribbon bar clearly, is it clearer in the original photo..?

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Post by VJK » 17 Jan 2003 19:50

Hi Matt!

I've tried to blow-up the ribbon bar, though the result is less than perfect. Perhaps it may help though?

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Post by VJK » 17 Jan 2003 19:56

I'll try again with the blown-up version this time. Sorry about that!

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Post by J.N. Houterman » 13 May 2003 22:37

Does anyone know who this general is? Monocle, Ritterkreuz, Deutsches Kreuz...

It's taken from a group photo depicting some high generals with Field Marshal Rommel at Riva Bella (France), May 1944.

Any help is welcome.

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Post by Svennie » 16 May 2003 10:58

Hans,

isn't the caption in the book saying that he's Erick Marcks?

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Post by Elwyn W » 16 May 2003 12:38

Hi,

I think it is just the quality of the pictures -- Marcks wore glasses, not monocle. Definitely Marcks.

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Post by J.N. Houterman » 16 May 2003 17:06

Well guys, we indeed thought it was Marcks at first. But how to explain the Deutsches Kreuz? Marcks didn't get it; the person photographed did. And it's definitely a monocle, and no glasses the person is wearing.

Marcks must be ruled out, unfortunately.

Any other guesses?

Cheers,

Hans

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Post by Svennie » 16 May 2003 17:53

Sorry for being such a nuisance :roll: but I am convinced that it is Marcks, also comparing with the pics posted of Marcks.
Who says Marcks could not leave his glasses at home and put on his Prussian monocle for Rommel?
More seriously: does anyone know whether Marcks received the DK in Silber? There's no telling from a b/w pic whether this is the DK Gold or Silber.

Hans posted only a part of the picture. The whole one is showing also Gen.Ob von Salmuth and Gen.Ob Dollmann. From that, we can easily conclude it was taken in the 15th and 7th Army areas. Only other general I can think of there with a monocle would be Von Schlieben.

Hans, could you scan the whole pic and put it on the forum please? And are there any other pics available from the same scene?

Last resort would be to list all general officers in both Armees and just choose the most probable one.

Thanks in advance for posting Hans,

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 16 May 2003 18:17

Hi!

I have another pic of Marcks, received from VJK. I will attach.

I think Marcks can be easily recognized by his ears. Let´s have a look of both pics from Freiherr and the pic I attach. I don´t think that these are the same ears.

Just my 2 cents.

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Post by J.N. Houterman » 16 May 2003 18:18

As requested.

In front from left to right:

Generaloberst Hans von Salmuth (AOK 15)
Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel (HGr B)
General der Infanterie Walter Buhle (Chef Heeresstab OKW)
General der Pioniere Alfred Jacob (General der Pioniere und Festungen)

Behind them f.l.t.r.:
General ?????? (between Von Salmuth & Rommel)
General ?????? (behind Rommel; only general's collar visible)
Oberst ??????
Generaloberst Friedrich Dollmann (AOK 7)
General ?????? (our unknown friend, the would-be Marcks)

The suggestion to narrow it down from the generals of AOK 15 & 7 is not realistic, because this party included lots of others from Berlin (just as Buhle & Jacob). It was on the occasion of an inspection of the newly developed weapons by 21st Armoured Division. 30 May 1944. Riva-Bella, France.

If anyone can fill in one of the question marks, it would be welcome.

Cheers,

Hans
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