Request for Identification of Generals and Admirals

Alecci · Post by **Alecci** » 13 Nov 2003 23:24

Is it just me who thinks that the officer on the left side of the general officer (i.e. right side of the picture) in "Rommel in field.jpg" looks more than just a little bit like Colonel (GS) Fritz Bayerlein?

My humble opinion...

J.N. Houterman · Post by **J.N. Houterman** » 13 Nov 2003 23:30

Glenn: Thanks for the info. Very helpful!

Alecci: Yes, it's just you. I don't see any resemblance at all.

Cheers,

Hans

Gareth Collins · Post by **Gareth Collins** » 14 Nov 2003 01:34

I believe it is Bayerlein, the resemblence is staggering. I could be wrong as Mr Houtermann States.

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 14 Nov 2003 05:14

Back to Cruewell!

He won the Eichenlaub upon given command of DAK 01.09.41. He was captured 29.05.42. But here is a picture of him with a Mj von Meyer with a bunch of American G.I.'s so it had to be at least May 1942. Strangely, he was NOT wearing the oakleaves. For sure he fought in Russia but did he get the "frozen meat"? Which he didn't wear in this picture if he did. I am getting more and more confused.

Cheers
Freiherr

Glenn2438 · Post by **Glenn2438** » 14 Nov 2003 08:31

Freiherr,

I think the reason for your confusion is the fact that the officer above is General der Panzertruppe Hans Cramer captured in Tunisia in 1943.

Regards
Glenn

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 14 Nov 2003 16:45

Ooops, sorry folks, misfiled Cramer until Crüwell. Should have checked before drinking!

Cheers
Freiherr

Steen Ammentorp · Post by **Steen Ammentorp** » 18 Nov 2003 09:03

Hi,

Although we didn't reach a conclusion, I would like to thank everybody who has participated in this tread. It has been very interesting to follow the various suggestions and the argumentation.

Kind Regards
Steen Ammentorp
The Generals of World War II

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 14 Feb 2004 17:43

I realize these are not quality pics. Would appreciate any input.

Cheers
Freiherr

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 14 Feb 2004 17:45

And these.

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 14 Feb 2004 17:51

One more.

VJK · Post by **VJK** » 14 Feb 2004 17:51

Hi Freiherr!

Whilst it is difficult to tell becuase of the quality of the pics, as you so rightly commented, jpg.1 appears to be Genob. Rudolf Schmidt, jpg.2 could be either Ernst Busch or Wilhelm Fahrmbacher. jpg.7 could be GFM von Kluge.

Regards,

VJK

Stauffenberg II · Post by **Stauffenberg II** » 14 Feb 2004 18:12

jpeg 1 - Rudolf Schmidt: I agree
jpeg 2 - Fahrmbacher: fair guess

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 14 Feb 2004 18:16

Thanks VJK for your comments.

My guess would be Busch. After going back to the crappy "original", there was a hint of the PLM. Also what's beneath the Iron Cross 1st class looked more like a silver or gold wound badge -- does anyone know if Busch received that many wounds? There is the usual portrait of Busch showing definitely a non-black wound badge.

Farhrmbacher, on the other hand, had this unique way of wearing the spange to his iron cross 1st class on his breast pocket, the iron cross itself, a black wound badge and a third badge I couldn't decipher underneath his breast pocket.

Just a guess.

Cheers
Freiherr

USAF1986 · Post by **USAF1986** » 14 Feb 2004 18:49

Hi! Busch’s Personal-Nachweis/Dienstlaufbahn from the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv lists him as a recipient of the WWI Wound Badge in Black. Additionally, the 1926 and 1930 Ranglisten des Deutschen Reichsheeres list this same wound badge. Interestingly, Busch's Dienstlaufbahn lists the following wounds:

• 21 May 1915: Wounded in the right knee by artillery fire near La Bassée and Arras/spent three weeks in a field hospital at Pont-á-Marcq, France.
• 10 March 1917: Wounded in the right arm by infantry fire near Verdun/spent two weeks in a field hospital.
• 1917: Lightly wounded near Chemin des Dames/treated at the front and remained with the troops [NOTE: No specific date or other details given].

Fahrmbacher held the Mountain Leader Badge which appears in a photo or two.

Regards,
Shawn

Allen Milcic · Post by **Allen Milcic** » 14 Feb 2004 19:17

In photo 2, the individual on the left does not seem to be wearing a German uniform; it looks more...Soviet perhaps?? Any comments?

Thanks!

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