Request for Identification of Generals and Admirals

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Post by Elwyn W » 11 Nov 2003 06:30

Looks like the "Winterschlacht im Osten 1941 to 1942" or "Frozen meat" ribbon in his button hole. If it were Rommel, by the time this medal was awarded, he would have gotten his Eichenlaub (20.03.41). And Swerter came on 20.01.42. True, sometimes he didn't wear his PLM, but rarely did he wear other campaign ribbons this way.

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 11 Nov 2003 08:24

Beppo,

Could you mention the biography on Rommel that includes this picture. I must say that I'm a bit doubtful about it being Rommel. I have never seen him wearing this kind of dust goggles. Normally we see him wearing his British safety goggles, but I have a number of pictures of him in France 1940 where he wears another pair of googles. However they are different from these.

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Post by Beppo Schmidt » 11 Nov 2003 21:59

Actually it was on the back of the cover of the A & E Video Biography Rommel: The Last Knight.
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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 11 Nov 2003 22:31

Beppo,
We have a winner :lol: Thank you very much. When one see the full picture all doubts disappear. It is the Desert Fox.

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Post by J.N. Houterman » 12 Nov 2003 00:17

If my humble opinion counts in any way I would say it's NOT Erwin Rommel. I've seen literally hundreds of pictures of him and I see no match. Taking a closer look at his decorations (I'll leave that to the specialists) will probably give evidence.

Speaking from experience: I've seen several generals wrongly labeled as Rommel, both in print and on film.

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 12 Nov 2003 13:55

Okay - it's possible two doubt my quick conclusion. Since Hans made his
positing I have been looking at one picture of Rommel after another, and I
must agree with Hans. It does not look like Rommel, and as I have mentioned those goggles is very different from those he normally wore.
Maybe I have an unhealthy interest in goggles? :?

(Btw. The text in the picture is also clearly wrong. Tunisia, 1940 ??)

If not Rommel - Beppo's picture made me think. A general present in Tunisia 1942-43 (if so), but who previously had served in Russia and received the Winterschlacht im Osten madaille (if Freiherr is right). Could it then be Walter K. Nehring? I'm not an expert on awards some I'm purely guessing here.

Does it look like him? Sadly it is in another uniform.

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 12 Nov 2003 14:27

Maybe it´s Wolfgang Fischer, Cdr. 10. Panzerdivision.

I once get a pic which allegedly shows Fischer. Look what he is wearing ... looks quite similar. Moreover he served in Russia.

The caption is great. Wrong name and wrong year ... a great source.

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Post by VJK » 12 Nov 2003 14:40

Hello gentlemen!

I believe the mystery General is Ludwig Cruewell. Attached are a couple of pics for comparison.

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 12 Nov 2003 15:06

Hi VJK!

I also thought about Crüwell, a further veteran from Russia. But unless the caption is totally wrong Crüwell is out. He never was in Tunisia.

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Post by VJK » 12 Nov 2003 15:22

Hi Stauffenberg II !

Personally I tend to dismiss the caption in its entirety:
1. The pic is not of Rommel;
2. Rommel was not a Field Marshal in 1940;
3. Why should they get the location right?

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Post by VJK » 12 Nov 2003 15:26

Here is another pic of Cruewell - if you put the 2 pics side by side, the similarity to the mystery General is remarkable!

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 12 Nov 2003 15:27

3. Why should they get the location right?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You are right VJK!

But Crüwell was already decorated with Eichenlaub on arrival in Africa (in 1941). I´m not sure but I think there is no Eichenlaub.
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Post by JC » 12 Nov 2003 15:27

Gentlemen,

I agree with VJK...... and with Stauffenberg! I would discount anything the caption says, but I don't think it is Ludwig Crüwell either!

The larger photo does put the setting as N. Africa though.

Just my $.02!

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 12 Nov 2003 15:29

Hi,

Two new interesting suggestions. However I do not think it is Cruewell. Arriving in Africa in September 1941 I do not think he recieved the Winterschlacht medaille and being captured in May 1942 he was not in Tunisia. I do not know about Fischer.

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Post by VJK » 12 Nov 2003 15:35

Hi!

A thought just occurred to me (it doesn't happen all that often!! :P )
I'm no expert on uniforms, but can we even be sure that the pic was taken in N. Africa? Unless there is something specific about the uniforms of the officers around the mystery man, there is no real indication of the location.

Over to the uniform experts.

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