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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by Adam Carr » 26 Jul 2009 17:43

No doubt that's true in a technical sense. But any skill is only admirable if it is used in a just cause, and his military skill was not. I am willing to admire Third Reich service personnel if, either before or after 1945, they recognised the evil of the cause they used their talents for. Erich Hartmann is an example of one who did. Rudel is one who did not, and I don't care how many medals he won if he remained committed to an evil ideology.

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 26 Jul 2009 18:07

Yes, I can understand what you've said. But I think we have other thread that discuss that matter, Adam...

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by Adam Carr » 26 Jul 2009 18:45

I'm not suggesting that. I have travelled in Indonesia and have a high regard for the country. But it's an unusual area of interest for an Indonesian to have.

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Knight's Cross Winner Turn Actor

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 26 Jul 2009 20:18

The only Ritterkreuzträger on the screen!

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In The Longest Day as Til Kiwe.Played Rommel's aide Helmuth Lang.

Hauptmann Eduard-Heinrich Kiefer of the Hermann Göring division, who was awarded the Knight’s Cross on 18 May 1943 for his service as the commander, 4th Armored Reconnaissance Company, Tunis Field-Battalion T5, although by that time, Kiefer was in a POW camp. Incidentally, after the war Kiefer went into show business in Germany, changed his name to “Til Kiwe” and starred in a number of German movies and television shows.

Here is his filmography :
* 1949: Das goldene Edelweiß
* 1950: Wer fuhr den grauen Ford?
* 1951: Eva und der Frauenarzt
* 1951: Entscheidung vor Morgengrauen (Decision Before Dawn)
* 1954: Gefangene der Liebe
* 1955: Parole Heimat
* 1955: Der Schmied von St. Bartholomae / Ein Edelweiß vom Königssee
* 1955: Es geschah am 20. Juli
* 1956: Wo die alten Wälder rauschen
* 1956: Die Geierwally
* 1957: Saranno uomini
* 1957: Der Stern von Afrika
* 1958: Der Arzt von Stalingrad
* 1958: Auferstehung
* 1958: Der Schinderhannes
* 1959: Nacht fiel über Gotenhafen
* 1959: Rommel ruft Kairo
* 1959: Die Brücke
* 1959: Der Schatz vom Toplitzsee
* 1960: Am grünen Strand der Spree - 2. Teil
* 1961: Treibjagd
* 1961: Eins, zwei, drei (One, Two, Three)
* 1962: Der längste Tag (The Longest Day)
* 1963: Gesprengte Ketten (The Great Escape)
* 1963: Hafenpolizei (Serie)
* 1964: Columbus - Bericht und Bildnis
* 1966: Die rote Rosa
* 1968: König Richard II.
* 1969: Stewardessen (Serie)
* 1969: Hannibal Brooks
* 1969: Ehepaar sucht gleichgesinntes
* 1970: Der Röhm-Putsch
* 1974: Die Akte Odessa (The Odessa File)
* 1975: Champagner aus dem Knobelbecher
* 1976: Der Adler ist gelandet (The Eagle Has Landed)
* 1978: Hitlers Sohn (Son of Hitler)


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http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=120
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http://www.aveleyman.com/FilmCredit.aspx?FilmID=7628
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunis_Field_Battalions
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The last surviving panzer generals died during the Nineties

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 26 Jul 2009 21:27

The last surviving World War II panzer generals died during the nineties. Among these were Oskar Audorsch, former Generalleutnant, who died in 1991 at the age of 93; Heinrich Eberbach, former General der Panzertruppe, who died in 1992 aged 97; former Generalmajor Horst Niemack, and former Generalmajor Oskar Munzel, who both also died in 1992 aged 83 and 93; Ernst-Wilhelm Hoffmann, former Oberst commanding officer of 4. Pz.Div., who died in 1994 at the age of 90; Helmuth Schlömer, one of the Stalingrad renegades, and a former Generalleutnant, who died in 1995 at the age of 102; and finally, former Oberst Paul Frfir von Hauser, commanding officer of Pz.Lehr-Div., who died in 1999 at the age of 88...


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Book "Panzertruppen" by François de Lannoy & Josef Charita
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Re: Oldest general upon death

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 26 Jul 2009 21:35

Colonel Kurtz wrote:Following Alif Rafik Khan's input, the oldest general upon his death to have served in the Heer.

Generalleutnant Fritz Hengen
Birth : 28 March 1887
Death : 30 April 1988 (aged 101 years, 1 month, 2 days)

Other members of this group:

Generalleutnant Carl von Tiedemann
Birth: 28. June 1878
Death: 10. March 1879 (aged 100 years, 9 months, 10 days).

General der Infanterie Erich Buschenhagen
Birth: 8. December 1895
Death: 13. September 1994 (aged 99 years, 9 months, 5 days)

General der Artillerie Wilhelm Berlin
Birth: 24. April 1889
Death: 15. September 1987 (aged 98 years, 4 months, 22 days)

General der Panzertruppe Maximilian Reichsfreiherr von Edelsheim
Birth: 6. July 1897
Death: 26. April 1994 (aged 96 years, 10 months, 20 days)


N.B. Another list could also be made for Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine and Waffen-SS.
Found the new record-breaker : Generalleutnant Helmuth Schlömer
Birth : 30 May 1893
Death : 18 August 1995 (aged 102 years, 2 months and 19 days)

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http://www.stalingradbattle.nl/personen/schloemer.htm
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1004709

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by Adam Carr » 27 Jul 2009 05:52

Alif, thanks for your PM.
Helmuth Schlömer, one of the Stalingrad renegades, and a former Generalleutnant, who died in 1995 at the age of 102
By "one of the Stalingrad renegades," do you mean one of the officers captured at Stalingrad who came to see the evil of Hitler's regime and began to work for a democratic Germany? If so, all honour to him.

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 27 Jul 2009 12:59

Yes, I also assume that, Adam... I quoted from the book "Panzertruppen" by François de Lannoy & Josef Charita...

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by Adam Carr » 28 Jul 2009 14:15

Alif, since you are obviously very well informed, do you know what happened to Willi Stöhr, who I believe was the last living ex NSDAP Gauleiter? He was still alive and living in Canada in 1995, but he would be 106 by now.

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by VtwinVince » 28 Jul 2009 19:06

German officers, as professionals, were required to remain politically neutral, and obey orders, just as in other countries. This tiresome witch-hunting for "Nazi officers" has grown pretty old. I don't see a lot of people questioning the legality of the actions of Allied soldiers who knowingly committed atrocities during the last war, or American personnel who engaged in illegal acts against populations in southeast Asia. Picking and choosing who should be "honored" by virtue of whether or not they sympathized with the regime is simplistic and spurious.

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by Marcus » 28 Jul 2009 19:16

This thread is not for discussions about whether or not German officers were Nazis so please get back on topic.

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by Adam Carr » 29 Jul 2009 14:00

VtwinVince, I think that's called the Nuremberg defence, and it didn't cut much ice then. However, I will not transgress against Marcus's ruling further. In another thread perhaps?

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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by Bernd R » 29 Jul 2009 14:44

Yes, Adam Carr, you had the last word on that. Open a new topic or reply to existing topics of this kind please. Further off-topic posts will be deleted by this Moderator.

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Oldest Heer Generals upon death

Post by Colonel Kurtz » 30 Jul 2009 13:48

Once again, thanks to Alif Rafik Khan's research, here is an updated list for the oldest general upon his death to have served in the Heer.

I also added GenLt von Horn at 97 years and GendPzTr Eberbach at 96 years.


Generalleutnant Helmuth Schlömer
Birth : 30 May 1893
Death : 18 August 1995 (aged 102 years, 2 months and 19 days)

Other members of this group:

Generalleutnant Fritz Hengen
Birth : 28 March 1887
Death : 30 April 1988 (aged 101 years, 1 month, 2 days)

Generalleutnant Carl von Tiedemann
Birth: 28. June 1878
Death: 10. March 1879 (aged 100 years, 9 months, 10 days).

General der Infanterie Erich Buschenhagen
Birth: 8. December 1895
Death: 13. September 1994 (aged 99 years, 9 months, 5 days)

General der Artillerie Wilhelm Berlin
Birth: 24. April 1889
Death: 15. September 1987 (aged 98 years, 4 months, 22 days)

Generalleutnant Hans-Joachim von Horn
Birth: 23. October 1896
Death: 10. January 1944 (aged 97 years, 2 months, 18 days)

General der Panzertruppe Maximilian Reichsfreiherr von Edelsheim
Birth: 6. July 1897
Death: 26. April 1994 (aged 96 years, 10 months, 20 days)

General der Panzertruppe Heinrich Eberbach
Birth: 24. November 1895
Death: 13. July 1992 (aged 96 years, 7 months, 19 days)

N.B. Another list could also be made for Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine and Waffen-SS.
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Re: Youngest, Oldest, The First, The Most, and Other Records

Post by chris44 » 30 Jul 2009 14:40

Hi
for Luftwaffe its "easy"

over 104!!!

Generalmajor
Andersen, Kurt
* 02.10.1898 Hohenrode/Krs. Goldap/Ostpreußen
+ 09.01.2003 Bonn
Ritterkreuz am: 23.12.1942
als: Oberst
Funktion: Kommandeur FlakRgt 153
Bundesgrenzschutz: Von 1952 bis 31.03.1961
Zuletzt: Brigadegeneral


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