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Re: Everlasting Scars/Wounds Of Third Reich Personalities

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 27 Jul 2009 15:19

Unidentified officers with "Schmiß"....

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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 27 Jul 2009 15:31

SA-Stabchef Ernst Julius Röhm (1887-1934)

Ernst Röhm was a native of Munich and During WW1, Rohm joined the German Army prior to the outbreak of war and in August 1914, he was an Oberleutnant in the 13th Infantry Regiment of the Bavarian Army. In September, he was badly wounded during fighting at Lorraine in France, leaving him with permanent facial scars. He continued to serve on the Western Front and ended the war with the rank of Hauptmann (Captain). After the Armistice, he joined one of the Militia Groups formed in Germany to combat the growth of the Communist Movement and he met Hitler in 1919...

Defiantly homosexual, he found himself as a regimental officer, though he was also an excellent organizer. Almost pathologically brave ( his disfiguring scars became part of the caricature), he found his deepest emotional satisfaction in male-bonding and identificstion with his men, later embodied in the SA...


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm
http://books.trafford.com/06-2004
http://pro.corbis.com/Enlargement/Enlar ... 8985&ext=1
Book "Underground Humour In Nazi Germany 1933-1945" by F.K.M. Hillenbrand
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Re: Everlasting Scars/Wounds Of Third Reich Personalities

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 27 Jul 2009 16:22

SS-Gruppenführer und Generalleutnant der Polizei Hermann Behrends (1907-1948)

Hermann Behrends was the first leader of the Berlin Sicherheitsdienst or SD [Security Service]. This was the security and intelligence service of the SS which was responsible for the detection and elimination of the enemies of the state. It was considered to be the elite of the elite. Later he became the deputy leader of the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle or VOMI, the organisation which ensured the privileges of ethnic Germans living outside the borders of the German Reich. He became an SS-Gruppenführer und Generalleutnant der Polizei but was captured in Flensburg in 1945 and later brought to Island Farm Camp...

Note the scars on the cheeks. When Hermann Behrends was in university is used to do the sport fencing. As part of a university culture it was considered honourable to have marks on your cheeks created by the fencing swords...


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http://www.islandfarm.fsnet.co.uk/SS-Gr ... hrends.htm
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1337133
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Re: Everlasting Scars/Wounds Of Third Reich Personalities

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 27 Jul 2009 16:37

Reichpost minister Franz Seldte (Corps Teutonia-Hercynia Braunschweig) (1882-1947)

has “mensur” fencing scars, and as a German officer he was wounded in World War I and lost his left arm. He then became a front reporter. Awarded with the Iron Cross Classes I and II, he also was promoted to captain in the reserve...


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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 27 Jul 2009 16:49

Another unidentified officers with "Schmiß". Picture number 2 and 3 is the same person....

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Post by pavel michalek » 27 Jul 2009 22:48

Fritz-Dietlof Graf von der Schulenburg
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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 31 Jul 2009 08:13

Thanks for the addition, Pavel! :)

Here is his scars history, another Mensur 'victim' :

In 1920, Fritz-Dietlof Graf von der Schulenburg-Tressow (1902-1944) did his Abitur in Lübeck, and thereafter chose not to pursue a career as a military officer, which had been the family tradition, but rather he studied law in Göttingen and Marburg. At that time he became a member of the Corps Saxonia Göttingen (a Studentenverbindung), during his membership in which he sustained several sword gashes – traditionally called Schmisse in German – the result of traditional Studentenverbindung fighting. He bore the scars with a certain pride!


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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 31 Jul 2009 09:29

Generaloberstabsarzt Prof.Dr.med. Siegfried Adolf Handloser (1895-1954)
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Corps Franconia (Pépinière-Corps/“Pfeifhahn“-Corps) an der Kaiser-Wilhelm-Akademie für das Miltärärztliche Bildungswesen, Berlin
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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 31 Jul 2009 10:30

SS-Gruppenführer Heinrich-Friedrich 'Heinz' Reinefarth (1903-1979)...

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Korporation unknown to me, but later "Alter Herr der Altherrenschaft Rudolf Eck, Jena"
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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 31 Jul 2009 16:04

A note about Christian Tychsen wounds :
He was wounded February 12th, 1942 and taught at Braunschweig during recovery until May 1942. Given command of II./Langemarck and retained this position when it became II./Pz Rgt in October 1942. Tychsen became 2. SS Pz Rgt commander on November 30th, 1943 replacing von Reitzenstein and held command until he replaced the wounded Heinz Lammerding as temporary CO of Das Reich. After being wounded more than nine times in total, he was killed in Normandy while riding in a Kubelwagen with his driver and an NCO when they encountered an advancing American tank and a battle ensued. He died in American captivity of his wounds and souvenir hunters took his tunic with all decorations, plus all other identification. He was buried as an unknown soldier but was later identified...

Peter has something to say about Tychsen death and his scars :
In 1995, from Captain John C. Bult of the 2d Armored MP Co., I purchased 1/2 dozen photos which were on Tychsen's person at the time of his demise, as well as a flatwire Das Reich cuffband taken from his tunic, and a small Mauser made .25 auto pistol and holster, which Tychsen wore on the rear of his belt. The location or disposition of his Soldbuch and dogtag are still unknown. As a result of the publication of my book, most of the medals Tychsen was wearing when ambushed have been located. The vet who got the medals was a tank driver in the 67th Armored Regiment of the 2d Armored Division and he died in 1992. A person who worked with this vet in a hardware store after WW2, wound-up with the medals. Before he died, the vet told that younger co-worker some details of the ambush. Tychsen's car tried to run a 2d AD roadblock during the St Lo Breakout and was shot up; it turned on it's right side and crashed. The vet in question was first to examine the bodies. He removed Tychsen's KC with oakleaves, discarding the ribbon, probably because it was bloody. He got all the medals and badges which were visible on the left chest, as Tychsen was lying on his right side. Then another GI turned the body over and snatched the DK in gold from Tychsen's right chest and held it up for all present to see. At that point, the other soldiers began a detailed search of Tychsen's person and removed everything except his tunic; more on that later. Lt John Cleveland of the CCB 2d AD traffic squad happened to be at the roadblock when the ambush took place. His job was to direct traffic for Combat Command 'B' and he evidently took the photos and cuffband and pistol during the group pilfering of the body. Since Cleve preferred Lugers and binoculars as souvenirs, he gave Tychsen's items to Captain Bult, his C.O. a week later. He tossed the pistol, photos and cufftitle on Bult's desk and said "I got these from a German colonel.. I almost missed the pistol because it was on his back, not on his side." In 1968, some friends of Tychsen's from Germany had exhumed several bodies of unidentified German officers, in search of his remains. They ID'd him by his dental work, which was unique and resulted from the Russian grenade wound in 1942, which left the horrible scars on his chin. Tychsen's black panzer tunic was exhumed with the body in 1968, still bearing a 4 pip rank collartab and one field grade shoulderboard. All other insignia and decorations were gone. The fact that his tunic was still present when the body was exhumed can be verified in an article in the SS Veterans' magazine 'Der Freiwillige'. The article is called 'The Search For Christian Tychsen', and was published in 1994. This contradicts what Jost Schneider wrote in his KC winners book, when he asserted that souvenir hunters removed Tychsen's tunic with all decorations. Tychsen was reburied under a stone with his name on it-prior to that, he had been listed as an unknown German officer. As to Tychsen's cap, I suspect the vet who got the KC picked it up and tossed the medals inside. I also suspect he later discarded the cap and kept only the metal skull, because one of those was in his effects, plus the following decorations: 1 bronze Infantry Asslt badge, 1 silver close combat bar, 1 Iron Cross 1st class, 1 black wound badge made of brass, with the paint deliberately removed to make it appear gold, and of course the RK with Eichenlaub, As to why Tychsen's body wound-up buried several miles away from the ambush site, it appears possible that the French residents of la Noraiserie, (the farm where the ambush took place), didn't want the body of a high ranking German officer found anywhere near their property. Because if German troops managed to re occupy the area, it would cause an unwelcome investigation. So they probably loaded the body on a farmcart and drove it to the Haut Vents crossroads at Cambry, France, and dropped it among other German bodies at a main road intersection...
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Post by goofy » 31 Jul 2009 18:51

AlifRafikKhan wrote:Generaloberstabsarzt Prof.Dr.med. Siegfried Adolf Handloser (1895-1954)
It is amazing Handloser photo....Thanks for posting.
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Post by Larso » 01 Aug 2009 00:58

This has been very interesting. I'm supposing that, given the large number of cheek injuries, there were quite a lot of duelists who missed the war because they were minus an eye or two.......

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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 02 Aug 2009 11:40

it is a possibility, although I have never seen photos of wehrmacht officer who lost his eyes as a result of the Mensur duel...

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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 02 Aug 2009 11:54

something that makes me interested is the Wehrmacht eye patch. maybe someone knows about the history and what made person wears it. I only know the 'famous' eye patcher such as Oberst Stauffenberg, General der Infanteri Ludwig Wolff and Leutnant der Reserve Heinrich Boigk...

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