Generals Officers Seniority Dates (RDA)

[santiago167]

Hi Askropp

01.03.1945 (21a) Werner von Boltenstern
01.03.1945 (17b) Meinrad von Lauchert
01.04.1945 (26) Hinrich Warrelmann
17.04.1945 (-) Hermann-Heinrich Behrend
20.04.1945 (30) Erich Bärenfänger


Regards

Santiago

[askropp]

Thanks again, but I can't believe the Boltenstern number is correct. He was way senior to nearly all officers promoted mit RDA from the same date.

Lauchert fits.

Warrelmann sounds again doubtful. Giese was the (19), and if Warrelmann was the (26), the slots from (20) to (25) would be missing. On top of this, Niemack, Behr and Giese were junior to Warrelmann.

Bärenfänger surely would be at the end of his batch, but if he was the (30) and Ueberschär the (25), who were the officers (26) to (29)?

[Aisingioro]

Generalmajor (RDA)

1939.10.01 (-) Meyer-Buerdorf, Heinrich 1888-1971
1939.10.01 (-) Mühlmann, Max 1887-1945
1939.10.01 (-) Rathke, Anton 1888-1945
1939.10.01 (-) Sommerfeld, Hans von 1888-1961
1939.10.01 (-) Thomas, Alfred 1890-1977
1939.10.01 (-) Zülow, Alexander von 1890-1948

Aisin

[askropp]

01.10.1939 (2) Sommerfeld
01.10.1939 (3) Rathke
01.10.1939 (5) Mühlmann
01.10.1939 (10) Meyer-Buerdorf
01.10.1939 (11) Zülow
01.11.1940 (6) Thomas

Thomas became Char. GM on 01.10.1939.

[Stauffenberg II]

Oberst Zorn was KIA in Feb. 1945. As the 01.02.1945 promo date was not used, did he get promoted to GM retroactively 30.01.1945?

[Frech]

Could anybody provide a list for the promotion of Generalmajore with 30.1.1945?

I wonder if there were quite a lot of former Austrians on this list.

Regards

Christian

[askropp]

(1) Hans von Manussi Edler von Montesole
(1a) Ulrich Bormann
(1b) Johann Mirow
(2) Wilhelm Strecker
(3) Julius Coretti
(4) Othmar Krüpl
(5) Alfred Hyden
(6) Viktor Luschnig
(7) Johann Simmler
(8) Helmut Hipp
(9) Ernst Graewe
(10) Kurt Lottner
(11) Alfred Kuzmany
(12) ?
(13) Anton Eberth
(14) Anton Glasl
(14a) Wilhelm Conze
(14b) Hans von Ahlfen
(15) Walter Kühn
(16) Hermann von Oppeln-Bronikowski
(16a) Herbert Gundelach
(17) Carl Anders
(18) Kurt Haehling
(19) Joachim Schwatlo-Gesterding
(20) Hans Kissel
(21) Robert Macher
(21a) ?
(21a1) Rudolf-Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff
(21b) ?
(22) Wilhelm Söth
(23) Hellmuth Mäder
(24) Hans-Joachim Deckert
(25) Hermann Harrendorf
(26) Hans-Joachim Kahler
(27) Ernst König
(28) Otto-Ernst Remer

RDA number not known to me (could have been promoted ohne RDA):
Karl Patzak (should be 4a)
Karl Jackwerth (should be 6a)
Josef Dahme (should be 7a)
Wilhelm Ritter (should be 13a)
Ernst Gonell (should be 17a)
Helmut Bechler (should be 19a)
Erich Seidel (should be 21b)
Ludwig Kirschner (should be 21c)
Wilhelm Bleckwenn (should be 22a)
Alois Weber (should be 24a)
Theodor Tolsdorff (should be 29)

Corrections or additions welcome.

[Stauffenberg II]

Santiago,

may I extend the topic to the Gen. Lt. without known seniority number? I am particularly interested in the following General officers with seniority date 01.03.1945-01.05.1945:

01.03.1945
Feyerabend Gerhard
Foertsch Friedrich
Haehnle Hermann
Hauser Wolfgang
Meltzer Rudolf
Radowitz von Josef
Raegener Adolf
Thomale Wolfgang

01.04.1945
Blaurock Edmund
Heucke Werner
Keil Rudolf

20.04.1945
Brücker Otto-Hermann
Burmeister Arnold
Hartmann Dipl. Ing. Wilhelm
Hemmann Alfred [Pr. P.]
Hölter Hermann
Holste Rudolf
Jank Karl
Marcks Werner
Müller von Dietrich
Picker Egbert
Reichelt Paul
Ranck Werner
Ruff Siegfried
Staedke Helmut
Tschudi von Rudolf [Pr. P.]
Wentzell Friedrich

01.05.1945
Reichert Rudolf
Thunert Eberhard

Thanks for any help you might be able to give.
Jürgen

[askropp]

You do not mention the GL promotions with RDA from 16.03.1945:
Walter Aßmann
Franz Geiger
Eugen König
Hans Mikosch
Oldwig von Natzmer
Fritz Polack
Josef Rintelen
Paul Schricker
Eugen Wurster

I don't know where Santiago takes his info from. As for me, I have never seen an original document that gives any seniority numbers for promotions after 30.01.1945. There must have been quite a few promotions ohne RDA, and some of the alleged promotions probably never happened but were claimed by the officers after the war. As 01.05.1945 was no official promotion date, there cannot have been official seniority numbers for that date. Nearly all promotions after 30.01.1945 were bevorzugt. There are only three officers who are said to have been promoted after that date who were "entitled" to become a GL because of their RDA (standen zur Beförderung heran), so if they really were promoted, they must have been the first of their batches:

01.03.1945 Rudolf Meltzer (1?)
01.04.1945 Rudolf Keil (1?)
20.04.1945 Hermann Winkler (1?)

[Frech]

@ askropp: thank you very much, very helpful.

I suppose there were Luftwaffe promotions too with 30.1.1945. Would exist a list here too?

Regards

Christian

[Stauffenberg II]

Felmy 1
Funck 2
Fitze 3
UHL 4
Fugger von Babenhausen, Gr. 5
Boehmer 6
Mundt 7
Weitkus 8
??? 9
Ludwig, v. 10
Rauch 11

[Frech]

@Stauffenberg: thank you very much for your quick and helpful response.

Christian

[Aisingioro]

Hi,

Generale (RDA)

01.04.1944 (1) wurde nicht vergeben

01.06.1944 (1) von Vormann, Nikolaus (später RDA-Verbesserung 27.06.1944 m.RDA 01.12.1943 (6))

01.08.1944 (1) wurde nicht vergeben

01.09.1944 (1) von Manteuffel,Hasso (später RDA-Verbesserung 00.00.1944 m.RDA 01.01.1944 (8))

01.01.1945 (1) wurde nicht vergeben



Aisin

[askropp]

Another interesting theory, but ... how could Vormann and Manteuffel have been the (1) when all other officers promoted from the same dates (1 June and 1 September 1944) were senior to them?

[Aisingioro]

01.01.1945 (1) (nicht vergeben)
01.01.1945 (2) Volckamer von Kirchensittenbach, Friedrich
01.01.1945 (3) Thumm, Hellmuth
01.01.1945 (4) Felzmann, Maximilian
01.01.1945 (5) Decker, Karl

30.01.1945 (1) (nicht vergeben)
30.01.1945 (2) Erdmannsdorff, Werner von
30.01.1945 (3) Hahm, Walther
30.01.1945 (4) Melzer, Walter
30.01.1945 (5) Röttiger, Hans
30.01.1945 (5a) Westphal, Siegfried
30.01.1945 (6) Krosigk, Ernst-Anton von
30.01.1945 (7) Winter, August

01.03.1945 (1) (nicht vergeben)
01.03.1945 (2) Petsch, Theodor
01.03.1945 (3) Thomaschki, Siegfried
01.03.1945 (4) Mauchenheim genannt Bechtolsheim, Anton Reichard Freiherr von
01.03.1945 (5) Schwalbe, Felix
01.03.1945 (6) Hitzfeld, Otto
01.03.1945 (7) Kessel, Mortimer von
01.03.1945 (8) Abraham, Erich

16.03.1945 (1) Tettau, Hans von
16.03.1945 (2) Jauer, Georg
16.03.1945 (3) Mellenthin, Horst von

01.04.1945 (1) Walther Wenck, später RDA-Verbesserung vom 1.10.1944 (6)
01.04.1945 (2) Gareis, Martin
01.04.1945 (2a) Grimmeiß, Maximilian
01.04.1945 (3) Schwerin, Gerhard Graf von
01.04.1945 (4) Niehoff, Hermann
01.04.1945 (oN) Dr. Dr. Mayer, Johannes

20.04.1945 (1) Meyer-Buerdorf, Heinrich
20.04.1945 (2) Crasemann, Eduard
20.04.1945 (3) Hofmann, Rudolf
20.04.1945 (4) Kinzel, Eberhard
20.04.1945 (5) Schack, Friedrich-August
20.04.1945 (6) Fangohr, Friedrich
20.04.1945 (7) Thoholte, Karl
20.04.1945 (oN) Hauck, Friedrich-Wilhelm
20.04.1945 (oN) Kullmer, Arthur

PS：o.N. = ohne Nachweis

Freundl. Mitteilung von Reinhard, Email v. 04.10.2016



Aisin