German High Commanders of WW2

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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by askropp » 15 Dec 2019 15:37

AOK 17 has been updated according to the KTB (thanks to John "Histan" for the hint). We now have a gap between Boriß and Schulz. I would assume that Schwatlo-Gesterding managed affairs in mid-July, but there may have been even another interim manager.
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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by askropp » 19 Dec 2019 16:54

Apparently, a whole bunch of new KTB has been added to "German Docs in Russia". So far, new info has been added to:

HGr A
HGr B
HGr Nord
HGr Kurland
AOK 12
AOK 16
AOK 17
AOK 25
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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by Rossano » 19 Dec 2019 17:20

Thanks Askropp. Rgds., Rossano

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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 10 Jun 2020 15:54

Great thread!

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Oberbefehlshaber 7. Armee

Post by HM » 27 Jun 2020 11:47

„KTB“ Pz. AOK 5 entry 31.08.1944:

„Der O.B. der 7. Armee, General Eberbach, …, gerät in Gefangenschaft. … Auf Grund dieser Ereignisse findet ein Befehlswechsel bei den beiden Armeen nicht statt. SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer Dietrich übernimmt mit Pz. AOK 5 nunmehr auch für den gefangenen General Eberbach die Führung der 7. Armee.“

Entry German High Commanders of WW2:
22.08.1944 – 31.08.1944 General der Panzertruppe Heinrich Eberbach (mFb)
31.08.1944 – 01.09.1944 General der Infanterie Hans von Obstfelder (mstFb)
01.09.1944 – 21.02.1945 General der Panzertruppe Erich Brandenberger (mFb)

Any official documents that von Obstfelder was put in charge on the 31.08?

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Re: Oberbefehlshaber 7. Armee

Post by Mori » 27 Jun 2020 12:17

He got the job for less than 24h...? How weird...

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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by askropp » 27 Jun 2020 12:28

As it seems, Obstfelder was mstFb for five minutes ... No, seriously, HM is obviously right. I will change the list at once.

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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by Rossano » 27 Jun 2020 13:03

Gentlemen
I don' t understand, from biograph. sources and unit histories Eberbach 29.8 Kgf. and Brandenberger 29.8 mFb. I' m really puzzled.....
Could it be that the change was registered later (31.8) but it occurred earlier (29.8) ?
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P.S. Until when was Dietrich supposed to have been in command (i.V., zgl.) ?

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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by askropp » 27 Jun 2020 13:35

I don't know to which sources you are referring, but for me the date of Eberbach's capture was never in question. Of course, it is confirmed by all relevant KTBs. Brandenberger took over on 1 September, just as this thread says on page 22.
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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by askropp » 09 Jul 2020 14:05

I posted updates and corrections for:

Flottenkommando
Marinegruppenkommando Ost
Heeresgruppe Nord
AOK 15
AOK 16

The biggest news is that Lindemann was mstFb HGr Nord in October 1943. If somebody is able to support a begin date, please come forward.
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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by askropp » 23 Nov 2020 16:15

I just noticed that KTB AOK 4 confirms Hans Reinhardt was mstFb HGr Mitte on 28/29, maybe early 30 October 1943 (between Kluge and Busch).
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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by Rossano » 23 Nov 2020 17:08

Thanks Askropp
By the way, with regard to the 4.Armee
In Heinrici´s Dienstlaufbahn it is reported that in may 44 he was 4 weeks in Kur, who was his deputy ?
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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by askropp » 24 Nov 2020 20:17

Heinrici's leave began on 5 June, and it is well known that Tippelskirch was his substitute (not "deputy").
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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by Rossano » 24 Nov 2020 20:58

Thanks, but now I still have one last question regarding Tippelskirch
Mehner too mentions him as substitute but gives his arrival on 14.6 (and GL. Müller as his deputy from 4.6 to 14.6)
Is that possible (and Mehner correct) or maybe Heinrici left before, with Müller as deputy until 4 or 5 june (then Tippelskirch) ? Rgds.

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Re: German High Commanders of WW2

Post by askropp » 24 Nov 2020 21:14

Once again, in this context a Stellvertreter is always a substitute and never a "deputy". I don't care what certain people write as long as I have sound reason and the KTB. Do you want to tell me that a Generalleutnant commanded an army over the heads of three full generals and Korps commanders (Tippelskirch, Martinek and Völckers)? This would be ridiculous. Müller was mstFb XII. Armeekorps for Tippelskirch, and that's as high as he ever got (unless we count his later DDR service).
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