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Re: Awards of Konteradmiral Ing. Waldemar Kober?

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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 01 Nov 2017, 16:47

Requin Marteau wrote:No deco in WW1.
So the EK II is also 1939?
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Re: Awards of Konteradmiral Ing. Waldemar Kober?

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Yes


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Re: Awards of Konteradmiral Otto Klüber

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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 01 Nov 2017, 20:28

I found another photo of Konteradmiral Otto Klüber.
Notice the 2 circled awards.
I think it is the Spanienkreuz in Silber mit Schwertern (left) and the Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen (below EK I) perhaps?
He was the Commandant of the Leichte Kreuzer ‘Nürnberg’ (24 Nov 1938-07 Aug 1940) so he was eligible for both the Spanienkreuz (Nürnberg was active in the Spanish Civil War) and the Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen (although the award was instituted in April 1941, it could be awarded for actions that took place prior to this date, i.e. his time as Commandant of the Nürnberg).
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Awards of Konteradmiral Ernst Kratzenberg?

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Awards of Konteradmiral Ernst Kratzenberg?
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Awards of Konteradmiral Fritz Krauss?

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Awards of Konteradmiral Fritz Krauss?
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Awards of Konteradmiral Bernhard Liebetanz?

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Awards of Konteradmiral Bernhard Liebetanz? Thanks.
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Awards of Konteradmiral Erich Mahrholz?

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Awards of Konteradmiral Erich Mahrholz?
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Awards of Konteradmiral (W) Friedrich Matthes?

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Awards of Konteradmiral (W) Friedrich Matthes?
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Re: Awards of Kratzenberg, Liebetanz, Mahrholz & Matthes

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Post by Dave Danner » 14 Nov 2017, 03:03

Known awards below. No guarantee of completeness.
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:Awards of Konteradmiral Ernst Kratzenberg?
Deutsches Kreuz in Silber
1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse
1939 Spange zum 1914 Eisernen Kreuze 2. Klasse
1914 Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse
1939 Spange zum 1914 Eisernen Kreuze 1. Klasse
1939 Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern
1939 Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern
Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich-August-Kreuz 2. Klasse
Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen (Schlesischer Adler) 2. Stufe
Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen (Schlesischer Adler) 1. Stufe
Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
Wehrmacht (Heer/Marine) Dienstauszeichnung 4. bis 2. Klasse
Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen
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1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2.Klasse
1939 Spange zum 1914 Eisernen Kreuz 2. Klasse
1939 Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse
1939 Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern
1939 Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern
Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
Wehrmacht (Heer/Marine) Dienstauszeichnung 4. bis 1. Klasse
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1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2 .Klasse
1914 Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse
Königlich Preußischer Hausorden von Hohenzollern, Ritterkreuz mit Schwertern
Königlich Bayerischer Militär-Verdienstorden 4. Klasse mit Schwertern und mit der Krone
Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich-August-Kreuz 2. Klasse
Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich-August-Kreuz 1. Klasse
Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
Königlich Preußischer Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
Wehrmacht (Heer/Marine) Dienstauszeichnung 4. bis 1. Klasse
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Deutsches Kreuz in Silber
1914 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse
1939 Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern
1939 Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern
Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
Königlich Preußischer Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
Wehrmacht (Heer/Marine) Dienstauszeichnung 4. bis 1. Klasse

Matthes probably received the Sonderklasse (Eichenlaub) to the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung, since his service as a Reichsmarine Beamter should have qualified, giving him 40 years of service by 1938. In both the case of Mahrholz and Matthes, the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung was worn in place of the earlier-awarded Prussian Dienstauszeichnungskreuz.

I have no idea about Fritz Krauß. He did not reach the front in World War I, so no imperial awards and probably only an Ehrenkreuz für Kriegsteilnehmer. He would have added a Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung 4. bis 2. Klasse in 1936. The only (tiny) picture I've seen shows him with a 1939 EK I and I would assume based on his assignments that he received the Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen. That same tiny picture shows a long-ish ribbon bar with several ribbons after the Dienstauszeichnungen, so probably one or more "Flower War" medals or something foreign.

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Re: Awards of Admiral Ernst Kratzenberg

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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 14 Nov 2017, 10:12

Thank you very much Dave, I really appreciate the help!
Also, I think Ernst Kratzenberg would have recieved the Wehrmacht DA 4. bis 1. Klasse? He was in the navy for 25 years by 1 April 1939.
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Re: Awards of Admiral Ernst Kratzenberg

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Post by Dave Danner » 14 Nov 2017, 12:31

According to the Ehrenrangliste der Deutschen Marine, Kratzenberg was discharged on 31.03.1919 and reactivated on 11.11.1919. That break in service would have cost him the 1.Klasse.

However, on checking further, it appears he was in the Freikorps in Marine-Brigade von Loewenfeld from 07.05.1919 onwards. So it would appear he only lost a little over a month of qualifying service time. So he would have reached 25 years' service sometime in May of 1939. So yes, you can change that to a 4. bis 1. Klasse in your list.

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Re: Awards of Admiral Friedrich Matthes

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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 14 Nov 2017, 17:23

Don't you think it's odd that Friedrich Matthes didn't recieve the EK 1. Kl. (1914 or 1939 version). He was in the Navy since 1898.
Regarding the Sonderklasse (Eichenlaub) to the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung. Do you know how many Kriegsmarine officers did recieve the Sonderklasse? I know only of Generaladmiral Karl Witzell. Even Raeder didn't recieve it (not that I know of).
Also, Fritz Krauss was serving aboard the Großlinienschiff SMS König during WW1 which would qualify him for the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer.
The photo of Krauss you mentioned below (larger one I found):
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Re: Awards of Admiral Friedrich Matthes

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Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:Don't you think it's odd that Friedrich Matthes didn't recieve the EK 1. Kl. (1914 or 1939 version). He was in the Navy since 1898.
Regarding the Sonderklasse (Eichenlaub) to the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung. Do you know how many Kriegsmarine officers did recieve the Sonderklasse? I know only of Generaladmiral Karl Witzell. Even Raeder didn't recieve it (not that I know of).
Also, Fritz Krauss was serving aboard the Großlinienschiff SMS König during WW1 which would qualify him for the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer.
The photo of Krauss you mentioned below (larger one I found):
Matthes was a Feuerwerker, not a line officer. Many of them had not even received an EK2 by 1918.

Regarding the Sonderklasse, I have no idea how many were awarded. Raeder should have and probably did receive it. There are several photos of him, such as here, clearly taken after 1939 since he has the Ritterkreuz and the Spange to the EK1. However, note that there is no Spange on his EK2, which seems to indicate that he did not bother updating his ribbon bar. So he may have also had the Sonderklasse, but did not add the oakleaves to his ribbon bar for these photos either. It seems that Generaladmiral Conrad Albrecht should have received the Sonderklasse (Crew of 1899, retired December 1939).

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Re: Awards and decorations of Konteradmiral Ernst Kratzenberg

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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 15 Nov 2017, 17:32

Thanks Dave.
Could Konteradmiral Ernst Kratzenberg have recieved the WW1 U-Boot-Kriegsabzeichen? He was a Watch-Officer on ‘U 60’, II. Submarine-Flotilla (27 Jun 1918-04 Jan 1919).
And do you agree Fritz Krauss recieved the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer?
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Re: Awards and decorations of some Admirals needed

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Awards of Konteradmiral Heinz-Eduard Menche?
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