Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

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Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 21 Apr 2018 23:34

Hello,

Situation in Metz was unclear in regard of dual position of some generals who held position of C.O. of division and Town commander. Very confuse.

18.07.1940 - 16.09.1940 Generalmajor Ferdinand Kuckein
25.07.1940 - 04.09.1940 Generalleutnant Franz Mattenklott Kdr 72. ID, zugleich Kommandant von Metz
05.09.1940 - 28.04.1942 Generalmajor Fritz Rossum
00.11.1940 - 01.04.1943 Generalleutnant Hermann Boettcher (as Kdr 148. Division)
01.07.1943 - 08.09.1944 Generalleutnant Ernst von Poten (dissmissed) (not division commander)
15.07.1944 ? - 18.09.1944 Generalleutnant Walther Krause (dissmissed on 18.09. but remain officially as Kdr 462. ID until 15.10.1944)
18.09.1944 - 14.11.1944 Generalleutnant Vollrath Lübbe with 462. VGD
14.11.1944 - 20.11.1944 Generalleutnant Heinrich Kittel 462. VGD wounded

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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 1944

Post by histan » 22 Apr 2018 01:30

Hi Georges

Mattenklott did not command 72. Inf.Div. when he was Kdt. Metz - he handed over command of 72. Inf.Div. to Auleb (Appointments lists)

Rossum 05.09.1940 (His Generalskartei)

m.W.v. 25.04.1942 GM Rossum, Kdt. Metz, zum Kdt. OFK 586 (Appointments list)
m.W.v. 25.04.1942 GM von Zanthier, FR, zum Kdt. Metz (Appointments list)

von Zanthier FR 30.06.1943 (His Generalskartei)

m.W.v. 01.07.1943 GM Poten, FR, zum Wehrm.Kdt. Metz ernannt (Appointments list)

Poten FR 10.09.1944 (His Generalskartei)

So
Mattenklott 25.07.1940, back to 72. Inf.Div. 05.09.1940
Rossum 05.09.1940, to OFK 586 25.04.1942
von Zanthier 25.04.1942, to FR 30.06.1943
Poten 01.07.1943, to FR 10.09.1944

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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 22 Apr 2018 15:00

Thank you John,

that great.
Do you agree with the last three (Krause, Lübbe, Kittel) .
It seems they held title Kommandant Festung Metz from 2 september 1944.
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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 26 Apr 2018 10:48

Hello,

Regarding Stadtkommandant Metz, I've a gap between

Generalmajor Von Poten left Metz 10.09.1944

Oberst Constantin Meyer appointed 19.10.1944 -22.11.1944 (surrending).

on the other hand one source (Anthony Kemp Metz 1944) write : "SS-Standartenführer Ernst Kemper as Stadtkommandant Metz end july 1944 (?)"

any comment wellcome (thanks)
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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 26 Apr 2018 11:02

Georges JEROME wrote:Thank you John,

that great.
Do you agree with the last three (Krause, Lübbe, Kittel) .
It seems they held title Kommandant Festung Metz from 2 september 1944.
The bio of Lübbe mention Kommandant von Metz therefore this refer to the Festung according they are C.O. of the 462 Volksgrenadier Division.

Stadkommandant was a administrative command

Festungkommandant was an operational command so Krause, Lübbe and Kittel
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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 22 Dec 2019 13:55

According the conflict dates between Kuckein and Mattenklott/Rossum. Could it be possible to consider Kuckein''s illness and Mattenklott temporary appointment
Generalmajor Kuckein Kommandant of Metz appear in Metzer Zeitung dated 1.8.1940 as official at the parade of the Schutzpolizei in Metz.
I've to review all the newspapers from august/september 1940 in Metz to check.
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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 31 Dec 2019 18:47

I check full month of the NS newspaper "Metzer Zeitung" for August 1944.
I find the following the following photo (11/8/1640) the stadion of Metz for the football match Kaiserslautern- Metz
So Mattenklott could be Stadtkommandant at the same time.
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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 31 Dec 2019 18:52

Second evidence.
on the fields of the battles of 1870 for the 70th birthday.
Newspaper Metzer Zeitung dated 19/8/1940. Stadtkommandant Kuckein was there. So ?
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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by graveland » 31 Dec 2019 19:08

Georges JEROME wrote:
31 Dec 2019 18:47
I check full month of the NS newspaper "Metzer Zeitung" for August 1944.
I find the following the following photo (11/8/1640) the stadion of Metz for the football match Kaiserslautern- Metz
So Mattenklott could be Stadtkommandant at the same time.
Thank you, Georges.

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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 20 Feb 2020 15:54

graveland wrote:
31 Dec 2019 19:08
Georges JEROME wrote:
31 Dec 2019 18:47
I check full month of the NS newspaper "Metzer Zeitung" for August 1944.
I find the following the following photo (11/8/1640) the stadion of Metz for the football match Kaiserslautern- Metz
So Mattenklott couldn't be Stadtkommandant at the same time.
Thank you, Georges.
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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 20 Feb 2020 15:54

Georges JEROME wrote:
31 Dec 2019 18:47
I check full month of the NS newspaper "Metzer Zeitung" for August 1944.
I find the following the following photo (11/8/1640) the stadion of Metz for the football match Kaiserslautern- Metz
So Mattenklott couldn't be Stadtkommandant at the same time.
Best regards

Georges

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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 20 Feb 2020 15:54

Georges JEROME wrote:
31 Dec 2019 18:47
I check full month of the NS newspaper "Metzer Zeitung" for August 1944.
I find the following the following photo (11/8/1640) the stadion of Metz for the football match Kaiserslautern- Metz
So Mattenklott couldn't be Stadtkommandant at the same time.
Best regards

Georges

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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 20 Feb 2020 16:03

Georges JEROME wrote:
31 Dec 2019 18:47
I check full month of the NS newspaper "Metzer Zeitung" for August 1944.
I find the following the following photo (11/8/1640) the stadion of Metz for the football match Kaiserslautern- Metz
So Mattenklott couldn't be Stadtkommandant at the same time.
Best regards

Georges

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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Georges JEROME » 20 Feb 2020 16:03

Georges JEROME wrote:
31 Dec 2019 18:47
I check full month of the NS newspaper "Metzer Zeitung" for August 1944.
I find the following the following photo (11/8/1640) the stadion of Metz for the football match Kaiserslautern- Metz
So Mattenklott couldn't be Stadtkommandant at the same time.
Best regards

Georges

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Re: Kommandant Metz 1940 - 1944

Post by Rossano » 20 Feb 2020 20:51

Bradley reports Kuckein as "Orts-Kdt." 18.06 - 15.09.40 (the newspaper might have reported him uncorrectlt as "Stadt-Kdt.".....).
(Contemporarily ? Because a list in PV./HPA reports him as Kdr. Ob.Baust. 11 until 15.09.40 (Bradley + Keilig report him as such from 14.09.39, but it must be wrong as Gimborn was Kdr. from 09.39 to about 07.40.
P.S.: a list in PV./HPA confirms that Gimborn was Kdr. Ob.Baust. 11 until about july 40.
So Kuckein Kdr. from about 07.40 too only ? Who knows more/better ?

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