Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

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Re: Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 01 Oct 2023 18:42

graveland wrote:
01 Oct 2023 17:55
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
01 Oct 2023 17:11
Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959)
1. There are two different award dates for the Offizierskreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Italien: "07. 05. 1934" and "27. 05. 1934".
I believe that "07. 05. 1934" is the Italian award date and "27. 05. 1934" the date of the presentation of the award to Lietzmann (instead of the German approval date because that usually took more time).
Do you agree?
Yes, I do.
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01 Oct 2023 17:11
2. One award that we have listed for Lietzmann currently is the Medalla de la Campaña de España (1936−1939). We have no proof he was awarded this medal. I think the supposed proof for this medal was the 6th ribbon in the first row on his ribbon bar. However, I think this ribbon represents the Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See.
I think we should DELETE the Medalla de la Campaña de España (1936−1939) from Lietzmann's award list. Do you agree?
Yes, I do.
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01 Oct 2023 17:11
Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959)
08.12.1923: Kolonialabzeichen
16.03.1940: Kaiserlich Japanischer Orden des Heiligen Schatzes 3. Klasse
20.04.1941: Spange zum Eisernen Kreuz 2. Klasse
30.01.1942: Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern
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What is the word written after "Jap." in the 1st photo?
Also, did you read the date "20. 04. 1941" for the Spange zum EK2 from the first document or the card (4th photo)?
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Re: Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959)

Post by graveland » 01 Oct 2023 18:50

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
01 Oct 2023 18:42
What is the word written after "Jap." in the 1st photo?
It says Jap. Kriegsorden v. H. S. (16.03.1940)
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
01 Oct 2023 18:42
Also, did you read the date "20. 04. 1941" for the Spange zum EK2 from the first document or the card (4th photo)?
I did read from the first document.

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Re: Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 01 Oct 2023 18:59

graveland wrote:
01 Oct 2023 18:50
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
01 Oct 2023 18:42
What is the word written after "Jap." in the 1st photo?
It says Jap. Kriegsorden v. H. S. (16.03.1940)
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
01 Oct 2023 18:42
Also, did you read the date "20. 04. 1941" for the Spange zum EK2 from the first document or the card (4th photo)?
I did read from the first document.
Or perhaps "Verdienstorden"?
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Re: Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959)

Post by graveland » 01 Oct 2023 19:09

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
01 Oct 2023 18:59
Or perhaps "Verdienstorden"?
The first letter could be K or V.

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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Requin Marteau » 02 Oct 2023 08:13

KVK I mit Schwertern (30 janvier 1944),

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Re: Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 02 Oct 2023 09:16

Requin Marteau wrote:
02 Oct 2023 08:13
KVK I mit Schwertern (30 janvier 1944),
No, Gregg wrote it correctly. It's 1942.
The year written in the 4th photo I posted (1944) is incorrect.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 02 Oct 2023 10:42

askropp, please update Lietzmann's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Also, please delete all the text at the bottom of his list: "Also on the first photo below...".

Vizeadmiral Joachim Lietzmann (1894-1959) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2182520&hi ... n#p2182520

-Deutsches Kreuz in Gold am 06.01.1945 als Vizeadmiral und Kommandierender Admiral Adria
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (14. 12. 1912)
-Kolonialabzeichen (Elefantenorden) (08. 12. 1923)
-Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See II. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen (23. 01. 1932)
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Dänischen Dannebrog-Ordens (19. 09. 1933)
-Offizierskreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Italien (07. 05. 1934, Awarded on 27. 05. 1934)
-Kommandeurkreuz des Königlich Bulgarischen Militär-Verdienstordens (28. 06. 1934)
-Königlich Ungarische Weltkriegs-Erinnerungsmedaille mit Schwertern und Helm
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (05. 01. 1935)
-Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse des Königlich Schwedischen Wasa-Ordens (01. 11. 1935)
-Kommandeurkreuz des Königlich Ungarischen Verdienstordens (1936)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See III. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen (21. 08. 1939)
-Königlich Spanischer Militär-Verdienstorden III. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen
-Kommandeurkreuz des Kaiserlich Japanischen Ordens des Heiligen Schatzes (16. 03. 1940)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (05. 10. 1940)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (20. 04. 1941)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse
-Kroatischer Orden der Krone des Königs Zvonimir I. Klasse mit Stern und Eichenlaub
-Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille des Kroatischen Ordens der Krone des Königs Zvonimir (14. 08. 1944)
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Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 03 Oct 2023 16:01

Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

1st photo below:

First column:
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (31. 07. 1915)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (30. 08.? 1919) (did I write the award date correctly?)
- Ritterkreuz II. Klasse vom weißen Falken mit Krone und Schwertern (01. 11. 1920) (did I write the award date correctly? This order did not have the "Krone" as a separate distinction like the "Schwertern". Correct me if I'm wrong. According to the Rangliste, Löwisch was awarded the "Ritterkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern", without "Krone")
- Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (30. 01. 1935)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1937)
- Memelmedaille (00. 01. 1940) (is this the award written?)
- Sudetenmedaille (??? 1940) (is this the award written? What is the month written?)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (01. 04. 1941)
- ??? (what does it say at the bottom?)

Second column:
- U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (08. 09. 1918)
- Komtur Kreuz der ungarischen Verdienstordens (22. 08. 1938) (did I write the class of the award correctly?)
- Komturkreuz des Ordens von der Krone Italiens (20. 03. 1941) (is this the award written?)

2nd photo below:

- U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (29. 18. ???) (which award date is this? could it be "02. 09. 1918" or does it indeed say just "29. 18."?)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (08. 09. 1915)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (25. 09. 1919)
- Ritterkreuz II. Abteilung vom weißen Falken mit Krone und Schwertern (01. 11. 1921) (is the year written "1921"? This order did not have the "Krone" as a separate distinction like the "Schwertern". Correct me if I'm wrong. According to the Rangliste, Löwisch was awarded the "Ritterkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern", without "Krone")
- Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (30. 01. 1935)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
- Memelmedaille (26. 10. 1939)
- Sudeten-Erinnerungsmedaille (20. 12. 1939)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (20. 04. 1941)
- Orden der Krone von Italien
- Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. 10. 38 (10. 06. 1941)
- Ungarischer Verdienstorden Komturkreuz (20. 08. 1938)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)

3rd photo below:

- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)
- Ritterkreuz zum Militär Orden vom Savoyen (IV. Stufe) (28. 02. 1943)

There are three other new awards for Löwisch that are not listed in his Personalakte, but are confirmed by photographic evidence:

- Deutsches Reichssportabzeichen (5th photo below)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse

1. There are two different award dates for the Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse: "31. 07. 1915" and "08. 09. 1915".
I would choose the "08. 09. 1915" date. Do you agree?


2. There are two different award dates for the Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse: "30. 08. 1919" and "25. 09. 1919".
I would choose the "25. 09. 1919" date. Do you agree?


3. There are two different award dates for the Ritterkreuz II. Klasse vom weißen Falken mit Schwertern: "01. 11. 1920" and "01. 11. 1921".
Which one would you choose and why?


4. There are two different award dates for the Memelmedaille: "00. 01. 1940" and "26. 10. 1939".
It's quite obvious that "26. 10. 1939" is the correct award date. Do you agree?


5. There are two different award dates for the Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern: "01. 04. 1941" and "20. 04. 1941".
I believe the correct date is "20. 04. 1941". Do you agree?


6. There are two different award dates for the U-Bootskriegsabzeichen: "08. 09. 1918" and "29. 18.?".
Since the second date is unclear, I would choose the "08. 09. 1918" date. Do you agree?


7. There are two different award dates for the Komturkreuz des Ungarischer Verdienstordens: "20. 08. 1938" and "22. 08. 1938".
I believe the correct date is "20. 08. 1938", because this was a common award date for this award. Do you agree?


8. In the second document I posted, there are two different award dates for the Sudetenlandmedaille: "20. 12. 1939" and "10. 06. 1941".
I believe the date "20. 12. 1939" is the correct award date. Could then the other date ("10. 06. 1941") perhaps be for the Spange "Prager Burg"?
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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by graveland » 03 Oct 2023 18:08

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
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Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)
08.09.1915: EK 2. Klasse
08.09.1918: U-Bootskriegsabzeichen
25.09.1919: EK 1. Klasse
01.11.1920: Ritterkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern des Großherzoglich Sachsen-Weimarischer Hausorden der Wachsamkeit oder vom weißen Falken (The other grant date is too late)
20.08.1938: Komturkreuz des Königlich Ungarischer Verdienstordens
26.10.1939: Memelmedaille
20.12.1939: Sudeten-Erinnerungsmedaille
20.04.1941: Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern

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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 03 Oct 2023 18:24

graveland wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:08
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
03 Oct 2023 16:01
Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)
08.09.1915: EK 2. Klasse
08.09.1918: U-Bootskriegsabzeichen
25.09.1919: EK 1. Klasse
01.11.1920: Ritterkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern des Großherzoglich Sachsen-Weimarischer Hausorden der Wachsamkeit oder vom weißen Falken (The other grant date is too late)
20.08.1938: Komturkreuz des Königlich Ungarischer Verdienstordens
26.10.1939: Memelmedaille
20.12.1939: Sudeten-Erinnerungsmedaille
20.04.1941: Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern
Thank you Gregg. You have given the answers to the eight questions I asked at the bottom.
But what about the "10. 06. 1941" date for the Sudetenlandmedaille? Is it for the Spange "Prager Burg"?

Could you also help me decipher the writing and answer on my questions written in red under "1st photo below" and "2nd photo below" (directly from the documents I posted)?
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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by graveland » 03 Oct 2023 18:34

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:24
But what about the "10. 06. 1941" date for the Sudetenlandmedaille? Is it for the Spange "Prager Burg"?
Or it could be a tipo, Karlo. Who knows!

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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by graveland » 03 Oct 2023 18:37

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:24
Could you also help me decipher the writing and answer on my questions written in red under "1st photo below" and "2nd photo below" (directly from the documents I posted)?
I read (2nd photo): "Anerkannt mit Ruf... ilienamen in der Schrei...".

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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 03 Oct 2023 18:38

graveland wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:34
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:24
But what about the "10. 06. 1941" date for the Sudetenlandmedaille? Is it for the Spange "Prager Burg"?
Or it could be a tipo, Karlo. Who knows!
I doubt it very much it's a typo. There is a one and a half year difference between the two award dates.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 03 Oct 2023 18:40

graveland wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:37
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:24
Could you also help me decipher the writing and answer on my questions written in red under "1st photo below" and "2nd photo below" (directly from the documents I posted)?
I read (2nd photo): "Anerkannt mit Ruf... ilienamen in der Schrei...".
No, I meant help me with these questions and writing in red (see below).
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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by graveland » 03 Oct 2023 18:48

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:40
No, I meant help me with these questions and writing in red (see below).
Ah, ok.

As you said, the Großherzoglich Sachsen-Weimarischer Hausorden der Wachsamkeit oder vom weißen Falken did not have the "Krone" as a separate distinction like the "Schwertern.

20.03.1941: Komturkreuz des Ordens von der Krone Italiens

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