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Re: Vizeadmiral z.V. Franz Wieting (1876-1966)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 27 Nov 2023 10:52

Requin Marteau wrote:
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Vizeadmiral z.V. Franz Wieting (1876-1966)


1. Even though it appears the award date "10. 07. 1916" is for the Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz, this cannot be because in the 1916 Rangliste (which was published on 1 August 1916) only the Bremisches Hanseatenkreuz is listed for Wieting. If he was awarded the Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz on 10. 07. 1916, then it would've been listed also.
The award date must then be for his Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz II. Klasse, which is also listed in the 1916 Rangliste.
Do you agree?
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2. The 1926 Rangliste lists "ÖR3K" for Wieting. This is the k.u.k. Österreich-Ungarisches Offiziersehrenzeichen für Verdienste um das Rote Kreuz mit der Kriegsdekoration. Before, I thought this was odd because he was not an Arzt. But, seeing the two other Roten Kreuz entries in his Personalakte (which I will cover in more detail below), it seems he did some humanitarian work during WW1, for which he received THREE different Roten Kreuz decorations.
Most likely during the time he was the Member of the Armistice-Commission Riga and at the same time Chief of Staff of the Armistice-Commission Sevastopol and Chief of Staff of the Nautical-Technical Commission as well as Naval-Command Black Sea (17 December 1917-22 December 1918).
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3. Let's first examine the following entry in his Personalakte: "Verdienstkreuz des ungarischen Roten Kreuzes (für Kriegsverdienste 1914/19) (1926)".

This decoration was established on 30 January 1922 by Miklós Horthy. See here:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehrenzeic ... en_Kreuzes
It consisted of three classes:
- Verdienststern
- Verdienstkreuz (badge)
- Verdienstmedaille

Wieting was awarded the II. Klasse (Verdienstkreuz) in 1926.
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4. And now the other Roten Kreuz entry: "Verdienstkreuz des österreichischen Roten Kreuzes (für Kriegsverdienste 1914/19)".

This decoration was established on 3 November 1922. There is no Wikipedia article for this decoration, but I managed to find the information about the classes, which were the same as the Austro-Hungarian Ehrenzeichen für Verdienste um das Rote Kreuz. Also, even though it was established in 1922, the first awardings of the decoration took place on 5 December 1934.
It consisted of four classes:
- Verdienststern
- Ehrenzeichen I. Klasse (neck decoration)
- Offiziers-Ehrenzeichen (badge) OK
- Ehrenzeichen II. Klasse
I also found the information that the highest class (Verdienststern) was reserved for Heads of States, and actually never awarded.
See here:
https://gmic.co.uk/topic/46384-order-of ... iensstern/

Now, the Personalakte says Wieting had the "Verdienstkreuz" of this decoration. Which class is this? Because this class doesn't directly correspond to any of the actual classes of this decoration.
He must have been awarded this decoration at the end of 1934 or later (because of the reason I stated above), when he was already retired and had the rank of Char. Vizeadmiral.
I think the class he was awarded could be either the Ehrenzeichen I. Klasse or the Offiziers-Ehrenzeichen (the same class as the Austro-Hungarian version of this decoration he received during WW1). What do you think?
For MG3, I have 5.05.1906.
That is the publication date of the 1906 Rangliste, not the award date.

What about my question regading von Stosch's Ehrenritter des Johanniter Ordens? You still haven't answered.
Keep it or delete it (because it is only listed once and then removed, which could indicate an error)?
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Re: Vizeadmiral z.V. Franz Wieting (1876-1966)

Post by luftk » 27 Nov 2023 14:50

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What about my question regading von Stosch's Ehrenritter des Johanniter Ordens? You still haven't answered.
Keep it or delete it (because it is only listed once and then removed, which could indicate an error)?

STOSCH- This may not help, but if it is not a printed mistake in the RL, perhaps he joined the Order of St. John and then left it after a period of time. Therefore, he would not be entitled to wear the decoration.

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Re: Vizeadmiral Hans Hubertus von Stosch (1889-1945)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 27 Nov 2023 15:35

luftk wrote:
27 Nov 2023 14:50
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27 Nov 2023 10:52


What about my question regading von Stosch's Ehrenritter des Johanniter Ordens? You still haven't answered.
Keep it or delete it (because it is only listed once and then removed, which could indicate an error)?

STOSCH- This may not help, but if it is not a printed mistake in the RL, perhaps he joined the Order of St. John and then left it after a period of time. Therefore, he would not be entitled to wear the decoration.
It's impossible to know if it's an error in the Rangliste or not. It's only listed in the 1928 Rangliste, not before and not after.
I don't know if the 1927 Rangliste even exists. I checked in the 1926 and 1929 Rangliste and it's not listed there.
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Vizeadmiral Ernst Wolf (1886-1964)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 27 Nov 2023 15:52

Vizeadmiral Ernst Wolf (1886-1964)

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (03. 01. 1915)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (10. 06. 1916)
- Ritterkreuz II. Klasse des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit Schwertern (23. 06. 1916)
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (10. 11. 1934)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (12. 11. 1940) (is the month written "11."?)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)
- Komturkreuz mit Stern des Königlich Ungarischen Verdienstordens (20. 08. 1938) (did I write the name of the award correctly? Is it the class "Komturkreuz mit Stern"?)
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Re: Vizeadmiral Ernst Wolf (1886-1964)

Post by graveland » 27 Nov 2023 16:07

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Vizeadmiral Ernst Wolf (1886-1964)

- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (12. 11. 1940) (is the month written "11."?)
Yes, it is.
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- Komturkreuz mit Stern des Königlich Ungarischen Verdienstordens (20. 08. 1938) (did I write the name of the award correctly? Is it the class "Komturkreuz mit Stern"?)
Yes, you did.

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Re: Vizeadmiral Ernst Wolf (1886-1964)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 27 Nov 2023 17:51

askropp, please update Wolf's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Also, delete all the text at the bottom of his award list.


Vizeadmiral Ernst Wolf (1886-1964) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2185173&hi ... f#p2185173

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (03. 01. 1915)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (10. 06. 1916)
-Ritterkreuz II. Klasse des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit Schwertern (23. 06. 1916)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (10. 11. 1934)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Kommandeurkreuz des Königlich Ungarischen Verdienstordens mit Stern (20. 08. 1938)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (12. 11. 1940)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)
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Vizeadmiral Eberhard Wolfram (1882-1947)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 28 Nov 2023 12:08

Vizeadmiral Eberhard Wolfram (1882-1947)

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (21. 09. 1914)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (18. 09. 1915)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (08. 12. 1939)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (30. 05. 1940)
- Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (27. 05. 1941) (this award date is incorrect. The correct one is "25. 05. 1941")
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Re: Vizeadmiral Eberhard Wolfram (1882-1947)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 28 Nov 2023 20:48

askropp, please update Wolfram's awards. Just copy-paste the list below.

Vizeadmiral Eberhard Wolfram (1882-1947) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2185196&hi ... m#p2185196

-Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (72) am 25.05.1941 als Konteradmiral und Befehlshaber der Sicherung der Nordsee
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern (31. 05. 1917)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (21. 09. 1914)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (18. 09. 1915)
-Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (08. 12. 1939)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (30. 05. 1940)
-Kriegsabzeichen für Minensuch-, U-Boots-Jagd- und Sicherungsverbände
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Vizeadmiral z.V. Paul Wülfing von Ditten (1880-1953)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 29 Nov 2023 14:52

Paul Wülfing von Ditten has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards.

askropp, please update Wolfram's awards. Just copy-paste the list below.
Also, delete all the text at the bottom of his award list.


Vizeadmiral z.V. Paul Wülfing von Ditten (1880-1953) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2185239&hi ... n#p2185239

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-China-Denkmünze in Bronze
-Südwestafrika-Denkmünze in Stahl
-Finnischer Orden des Freiheitskreuzes II. Klasse mit Schwertern (19. 05. 1918)
-Finnische Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille I. Klasse (1918)
-Finnische Erinnerungsmedaille des Freiheitskrieg 1918 mit Spange
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Großkreuz des Königlich Spanischen Ordens für Verdienste zur See mit weißem Abzeichen (16. 11. 1928)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
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Konteradmiral (Ing.) Dipl.Ing. Max Adam (1894-1978)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 30 Nov 2023 14:36

Max Adam has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards. However, I will add the award dates for the WDA.

askropp, please update Adam's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Also, delete all the text at the bottom of his award list.


Konteradmiral (Ing.) Dipl.Ing. Max Adam (1894-1978) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2185261&hi ... m#p2185261

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnung III. Klasse
-Bewährungsabzeichen der III. Marine-Brigade von Loewenfeld II. und I. Klasse
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 10. 1938)
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Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 01 Dec 2023 21:35

Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)

1st photo below:

First column:
- Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz II. Klasse (20. 07. 1917)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (27. 01. 1918)
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
- Deutsche Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen (30. 09. 1941)
- Kroatischer Orden Krone des Königs Zvonimir I. Klasse mit Eichenlaub (15. 05. 1943)
- Komturkreuz des Ordens der Ungarischen Heiligen Krone mit Schwertern (17. 04. 1944)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (01. 09. 1944)

Second column:
- Krone von Rumänien II. Klasse mit Schwertern und Spange für Militärische Tätigkeit (14. 03. 1942)
- Tapferkeitsmedaille der Rumänischen Marine III. Klasse Seemännische Tugend (22. 08. 1942) (this is the Rumänische Medaille für Maritime Tapferkeit III. Klasse)
- Königlich Rumänische Erinnerungsmedaille an den Kreuzzug gegen den Kommunismus (10. 05. 1942)
- Rumänischer Orden Krone Rumäniens mit Schwertern am Bande der Militärischen Tugend (14. 03. 1942)
- Königlich Rumänische Erinnerungsmedaille an den Kreuzzug gegen den Kommunismus (00. 05. 1942)
- Rumänische Medaille "Virtutea Maritima" III. Klasse (22. 08. 1942)

1. We know from Romanian sources (Monitorul Oficial) that the award date for his Rumänische Medaille für Maritime Tapferkeit III. Klasse was "15. 08. 1942". I think the date written in his Personalakte ("22. 08. 1942") is the date when he was presented/awarded the medal. Do you agree?

2. In the 4th photo below we can see he had the Spange zum EK2 and the 1939 EK1, even though they are not listed in the Personalakte.
Another award that is visible (circled red) is the Spanienkreuz. Because von Arnswaldt served as the 1st Artillery-Officer on the Armoured-Ship "Deutschland" (30 September 1935-25 August 1937), and that ship took part in the Spanish Civil War (non-intervention patrols), I believe he was awarded the "Spanienkreuz in Silber ohne Schwerter". Do you agree?
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Re: Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)

Post by graveland » 02 Dec 2023 13:31

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01 Dec 2023 21:35
Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)

1st omanian sources (Monitorul Oficial) that the award date for his Rumänische Medaille für Maritime Tapferkeit III. Klasse was "15. 08. 1942". I think the date written in his Personalakte ("22. 08. 1942") is the date when he was presented/awarded the medal. Do you agree?[/color]
Yes, I do.
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Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)
2. In the 4th photo below we can see he had the Spange zum EK2 and the 1939 EK1, even though they are not listed in the Personalakte.
Another award that is visible (circled red) is the Spanienkreuz. Because von Arnswaldt served as the 1st Artillery-Officer on the Armoured-Ship "Deutschland" (30 September 1935-25 August 1937), and that ship took part in the Spanish Civil War (non-intervention patrols), I believe he was awarded the "Spanienkreuz in Silber ohne Schwerter". Do you agree?
I'd put Spanienkreuz in? ohne Schwerter.

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Re: Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 02 Dec 2023 13:55

graveland wrote:
02 Dec 2023 13:31
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
01 Dec 2023 21:35
Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)

1st omanian sources (Monitorul Oficial) that the award date for his Rumänische Medaille für Maritime Tapferkeit III. Klasse was "15. 08. 1942". I think the date written in his Personalakte ("22. 08. 1942") is the date when he was presented/awarded the medal. Do you agree?[/color]
Yes, I do.
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01 Dec 2023 21:35
Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)
2. In the 4th photo below we can see he had the Spange zum EK2 and the 1939 EK1, even though they are not listed in the Personalakte.
Another award that is visible (circled red) is the Spanienkreuz. Because von Arnswaldt served as the 1st Artillery-Officer on the Armoured-Ship "Deutschland" (30 September 1935-25 August 1937), and that ship took part in the Spanish Civil War (non-intervention patrols), I believe he was awarded the "Spanienkreuz in Silber ohne Schwerter". Do you agree?
I'd put Spanienkreuz in? ohne Schwerter.
I am pretty sure it's the version in Silber.
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Re: Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 02 Dec 2023 18:04

askropp, please update von Arnswaldt's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Also, delete all the text at the bottom of his award list.


Konteradmiral Wolff-Ehrenreich von Arnswaldt (1898-1972) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2185289&hi ... t#p2185289

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (27. 01. 1918)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1939) I. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz II. Klasse (20. 07. 1917)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Spanienkreuz in Silber ohne Schwerter (06. 06. 1939)
-Deutsches Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen (30. 09. 1941)
-Großoffizierskreuz des Königlichen Ordens des Krone von Rumänien mit Schwertern am Tapferkeitsbande der Militärischen Tugend (14. 03. 1942)
-Königlich Rumänische Erinnerungsmedaille an den Kreuzzug gegen den Kommunismus (10. 05. 1942)
-Königlich Rumänische Medaille für Maritime Tapferkeit III. Klasse (Bronze) Navigator (15. 08. 1942, Awarded on 22. 08. 1942)
-Kroatischer Orden der Krone des Königs Zvonimir I. Klasse mit Eichenlaub (15. 05. 1943)
-Komturkreuz des Königlich Ungarischen Ordens des Heiligen Krone mit Schwertern (17. 04. 1944)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (01. 09. 1944)
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Vizeadmiral Hans Hubertus von Stosch (1889-1945)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 03 Dec 2023 17:39

Vizeadmiral Hans Hubertus von Stosch (1889-1945) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2184481&hi ... h#p2184481

askropp, please delete the "Ehrenritter des Königlich Preußischen Johanniter-Ordens" from von Stosch's award list.

It's only listed in one Rangliste and therefore it must be an error.
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