Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by graveland » 16 Aug 2022 16:16

Full agree with you, boys.

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Post by Ini Dalldorf » 12 Sep 2022 21:16

Some additional info regards Heinrich Hanke:
Kyffhäusermedaille 20.5.1922, Kolonialauszeichnung in Silber 18.8.1923, Marineverdienstkreuz III. Kl. 21.8.1939.
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 12 Sep 2022 22:41

Ini Dalldorf wrote:
12 Sep 2022 21:16
Some additional info regards Heinrich Hanke:
Kyffhäusermedaille 20.5.1922, Kolonialauszeichnung in Silber 18.8.1923, Marineverdienstkreuz III. Kl. 21.8.1939.
Kind regards, I. Dalldorf
Thank you very much for this information!
Regarding the Kolonialauszeichnung in Silber, is this the award in question (see below)?
Also, is the Marineverdienstkreuz III. Kl. the Spanish decoration? Judging by the award date, I pressume it's that one.

Do you have the award dates for his other known awards perhaps?

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Marineverwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz (1918)
-Kolonial Abzeichen (Elefantenorden)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by graveland » 13 Sep 2022 10:59

Ini Dalldorf wrote:
12 Sep 2022 21:16
Thank you.

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Post by Ini Dalldorf » 14 Sep 2022 21:28

yes "Kriegsmarine Großadmiral", it is Marineverdienstkreuz III. Kl. Spanien 21.8.1939, and
Kriegsverdienstkreuz I.KL. mit Schwertern Berlin 30.1.1942,
sorry, I cannot find any detailed info about the other awards on the list.
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 14 Sep 2022 21:34

Ini Dalldorf wrote:
14 Sep 2022 21:28
yes "Kriegsmarine Großadmiral", it is Marineverdienstkreuz III. Kl. Spanien 21.8.1939, and
Kriegsverdienstkreuz I.KL. mit Schwertern Berlin 30.1.1942,
sorry, I cannot find any detailed info about the other awards on the list.
Kind regards, I. Dalldorf
Thank you very much. Please post the photos when you can.
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Ini Dalldorf wrote:
14 Sep 2022 21:28
Thank you again.

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List of decorations.
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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 02 Oct 2022 10:05

Requin Marteau wrote:
02 Oct 2022 09:39
List of decorations.
Great find! Can you type out all the decorations and dates so we can compare with the current list?
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by graveland » 02 Oct 2022 10:38

These are the differences:

-Königlich Preußisches Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen in Silber (17.06.1913)
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (00.7.1917)
-Komturkreuz des Königlich Ungarischen Verdienstordens (00.09.1938)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (28.09.1939)
-Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938 (00.03.1939)

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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 02 Oct 2022 11:56

And what award is written at the bottom of the left page? Date 07.04.1943.
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by graveland » 02 Oct 2022 12:12

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
02 Oct 2022 11:56
And what award is written at the bottom of the left page? Date 07.04.1943.
Eichenlaub zum RK des EK.

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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 02 Oct 2022 12:34

graveland wrote:
02 Oct 2022 12:12
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
02 Oct 2022 11:56
And what award is written at the bottom of the left page? Date 07.04.1943.
Eichenlaub zum RK des EK.
Hmm, all other sources say the date was 06.04.1943.
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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 02 Oct 2022 14:56

I don't really trust this Soldbuch to be 100% correct when looking at the award dates. Some of them are missing the days and show only month/year.

Also, a big mistake is the date for the U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (00. 7. 1917). This award was instituted on 01.02.1918, so it's not possible that anyone received it before that date. I trust the award date we have now: 04. 10. 1918. Your opinion?

Let's look at the other awards Gregg mentioned that have different award dates than we have now.

1) Königlich Preußisches Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen in Silber

Soldbuch says 17. 06. 1913
Books by Dörr and Busch & Röll both say 07. 06. 1913

It's possible one of them is wrong. Your opinion?

2) Komturkreuz des Königlich Ungarischen Verdienstordens

Soldbuch says 00. 09. 1938
Book by Dörr says 20. 08. 1938

This other date (20. 08. 1938) is the common award date for this award, so I think it's correct. Your opinion?

3) Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse

Soldbuch says 28. 09. 1939
Books by Thomas and Dörr say 20. 12. 1939

I'm not sure which one is the correct one here. Perhaps the date from the Soldbuch? It would make sense he would get the Spange zum EKI shortly after the II. Klasse. Your opinion?

4) Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938

Soldbuch says 00. 03. 1939
Books by Dörr and Busch & Röll both say 20. 12. 1939

Just the month is written in the Soldbuch, I would trust the books here. Your opinion?

5) Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes & Eichenlaub zum Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes

Soldbuch dates are 20. 04. 1940 and 07. 04. 1943
All other books (Dörr, Scherzer, Fellgiebel) say 21. 04. 1940 and 06. 04. 1943

I would trust the books of the scholars here. Your opinion?

6) Kaiserlich Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond

I noticed a mistake regarding the award date in Dörr's book. He says the award date is 07. 11. 1914. This is not poossible because this award was instituted on 01. 03. 1915.

Book by Busch & Röll gives the date 07. 11. 1916. I would put this award date instead the one we have now. Do we agree?
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Re: Karl Dönitz

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 03 Oct 2022 15:36

graveland wrote:
02 Oct 2022 10:38
These are the differences:

-Königlich Preußisches Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen in Silber (17.06.1913)
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (00.7.1917)
-Komturkreuz des Königlich Ungarischen Verdienstordens (00.09.1938)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (28.09.1939)
-Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938 (00.03.1939)
Requin Marteau wrote:
02 Oct 2022 09:39
List of decorations.
Your opinions on what I wrote above please gentlemen?
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