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Re: Konteradmiral Wilhelm Mössel (1897-1986)

Post by graveland » 22 Feb 2024 14:56

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Konteradmiral Wilhelm Mössel (1897-1986)

1st photo below:

- Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938 (16. 12. 1938) (did I write the award date correctly?)
Yes, you did.

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Re: Konteradmiral Wilhelm Mössel (1897-1986)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 22 Feb 2024 15:24

askropp, please update Mössel's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Konteradmiral Wilhelm Mössel (1897-1986) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2189236&hi ... l#p2189236

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (09. 05. 1918)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (06. 10. 1939)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1939) I. Klasse (06. 06. 1940)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (25. 11. 1934)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnungen IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938 (16. 12. 1938)
-Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938
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Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967)

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Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967)

1st photo below:

Left column:
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnungen II. bis IV. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (12. 09. 1941)
- Deutsches Kreuz in Silber (06. 06. 1942)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (1939)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern
- Frontkämpfer-Ehrenkreuz mit Schwertern

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- Finnland: Komturkreuz I. Klasse des Ordens der weißen Rose mit Schwertern (11. 08. 1942) (the class is incorrect, see 1. below)

1. Just like in the case of Ernst Lucht, the class of Müller's Finnischer Orden der Weißen Rose is incorrect. According to Finnish sources, Müller was awarded the Kommandeurkreuz [II. Klasse] des Ordens der Weißen Rose von Finnland mit Schwertern.
This class is officialy called just "Kommandeurkreuz" and NOT "Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse" like it says on the German Wikipedia page of the order.

The classes of the Finnischer Orden der Weißen Rose are the following:
Großkreuz
Kommandeur I. Klasse (mit Stern)
Kommandeur
Ritter I. Klasse
Ritter
Verdienstkreuz
Medaille I. Klasse mit goldenem Kreuz
Medaille I. Klasse
Medaille
See here:
https://ritarikunnat.fi/language/en/dec ... f-finland/
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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 23 Feb 2024 12:57

askropp, please update Müller's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2189315&hi ... r#p2189315

-Deutsches Kreuz in Silber am 06.06.1942 als Kapitän zur See und Kommandeur des Sperrversuchskommandos
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnungen IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1939)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (12. 09. 1941)
-Kommandeurkreuz des Ordens der Weißen Rose von Finnland mit Schwertern (11. 08. 1942)
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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967)

Post by graveland » 23 Feb 2024 15:29

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
23 Feb 2024 12:57
Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2189315&hi ... r#p2189315

-Kommandeurkreuz des Ordens der Weißen Rose von Finnland mit Schwertern (11. 08. 1942)
And what sources are that?

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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 23 Feb 2024 15:58

graveland wrote:
23 Feb 2024 15:29
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
23 Feb 2024 12:57
Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2189315&hi ... r#p2189315

-Kommandeurkreuz des Ordens der Weißen Rose von Finnland mit Schwertern (11. 08. 1942)
And what sources are that?
Like I said, Finnish sources. I don't have the actual document because the person who helped me didn't post it.
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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967)

Post by graveland » 23 Feb 2024 16:02

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
23 Feb 2024 15:58
graveland wrote:
23 Feb 2024 15:29
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
23 Feb 2024 12:57
Konteradmiral Erich Müller (1895-1967) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2189315&hi ... r#p2189315

-Kommandeurkreuz des Ordens der Weißen Rose von Finnland mit Schwertern (11. 08. 1942)
And what sources are that?
Like I said, Finnish sources. I don't have the actual document because the person who helped me didn't post it.
Thank you! :thumbsup:

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Re: Vizeadmiral Rudolf Stange (1899-1992)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 23 Feb 2024 17:29

New update for Rudolf Stange.

New photographic evidence proves he was awarded the Deutsches Spanienkreuz in Silber ohne Schwerter (see the photos below).

I also decided to add the KVK2x and KVK1x to his award list, based on the previously discussed photo. See here: viewtopic.php?p=2500739#p2500739
He was most likely awarded the KVK2x and KVK1x when he was the Group-Leader in the Operations-Department, Naval Warfare Command, OKM (22 October 1937-03 January 1942). Only in January 1942 was he transferred to the "frontline" when he became the Kommandant of the "Lützow".

I will also delete the Flottenkriegsabzeichen from his award list until more conclusive evidence surfaces.

askropp, please update Stange's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Also, delete all the text at the bottom of his award list.

Vizeadmiral Rudolf Stange (1899-1992) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2184353&hi ... e#p2184353

-Deutsches Kreuz in Gold am 06.12.1944 als Konteradmiral und Chef des Stabes des Marinegruppenkommandos Süd
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1939) I. Klasse
-Deutsches Reichssportabzeichen
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnungen IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Deutsches Spanienkreuz in Silber ohne Schwerter (06. 06. 1939)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern

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Re: Char. Konteradmiral Dr.med.h.c. Karl August Nerger (1875-1947)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 24 Feb 2024 11:42

Karl August Nerger doesn't have a Personalakte. However, I will add some award dates from the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste and the GMIC forum and correct the date for the Ritterkreuz des Königlich Bayerischen Militär-Max-Joseph-Ordens.

askropp, please update Nerger's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Char. Konteradmiral Dr.med.h.c. Karl August Nerger (1875-1947) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2189333&hi ... r#p2189333

-Pour le Mérite am 24.02.1918 als Fregattenkapitän und Kommandant des Hilfskreuzers „Wolf“
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern (23. 07. 1917)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille (Zentenarmedaille) 1897 (22. 03. 1897)
-Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden IV. Klasse mit Schwertern (07. 07. 1900)
-Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz II. Klasse (14. 02. 1901)
-China-Denkmünze in Bronze mit Spange „Taku“
-Großherrlich Osmanischer Medschidié-Orden IV. Klasse
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse (05. 09. 1909)
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz I. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse
-Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz
-Bremisches Hanseatenkreuz
-Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Württembergischen Militärverdienstordens
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Sächsischen Militär-St.-Heinrichs-Ordens (25. 02. 1918)
-Ritterkreuz des Großherzoglich Badischen Militär-Karl-Friedrich-Verdienstordens (06. 04. 1918)
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Bayerischen Militär-Max-Joseph-Ordens (01. 05. 1918)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
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Konteradmiral (Ing.) Fritz Niemand (1892-1943)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 24 Feb 2024 15:07

Fritz Niemand has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards. However, I will add the award date for the WDA.

askropp, please update Niemand's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Konteradmiral (Ing.) Fritz Niemand (1892-1943) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2189352&hi ... d#p2189352

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen 1918
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnung III. Klasse
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnungen IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)

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Re: Konteradmiral Werner Steffan (1890-1973)

Post by graveland » 25 Feb 2024 16:34

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26 Feb 2019 10:42
Konteradmiral Werner Steffan (1890-1973)
Is it possible that he received the Kommandeurkreuz des Königlich Schwedischen Schwertordens in 1936 and the Kommandeurkreuz 1. Klasse des Königlich Schwedischen Schwertordens during the war?

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Re: Konteradmiral Werner Steffan (1890-1973)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 25 Feb 2024 18:15

graveland wrote:
25 Feb 2024 16:34
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
26 Feb 2019 10:42
Konteradmiral Werner Steffan (1890-1973)
Is it possible that he received the Kommandeurkreuz des Königlich Schwedischen Schwertordens in 1936 and the Kommandeurkreuz 1. Klasse des Königlich Schwedischen Schwertordens during the war?
Yes, that's what happened according to his Personalakte. But let's wait until we get to him alphabetically.
I will also have to check this with the person who has the Swedish award rolls.
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Konteradmiral Walther Oehler (1888-1968)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 25 Feb 2024 21:37

Konteradmiral Walther Oehler (1888-1968)

1st photo below:

Left column:
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
- Kolonialdenkmünze (this refers to the Kolonialabzeichen for which we have photographic evidence. Oehler didn't have the Kolonialdenkmünze)
- Frontkriegerkreuz (30. 01. 1935) (this is the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnungen III. und IV. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
- Königlich Schwedischer Schwertorden (05. 11. 1940)
Genehmigungs urkunde mit ... 12. 03. 1941 übersandt (see 1. below)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (23. 12. 1939) (did I write the award date correctly?)
- Kriegsabzeichen für die Marineartillerie (20. 04. 1942)
- Deutsches Kreuz in Gold (28. 01. 1944)
- Verwundeten-Abzeichen (Schwarz) (25. 05. 1944)

Right column:
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (31. 07. 1940)

1. The award date in the Swedish award rolls is "22. 10. 1940", and the class he was awarded is "Kommandeurkreuz" (the one we previously incorrectly called "Kommandeurkreuz II. Klasse"). The three different award dates mean the following:
22. 10. 1940: Swedish award date
05. 11. 1940: date of awarding/presentation
12. 03. 1941: German approval date


2. The 1st document below doesn't mention the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung II. Klasse. But, he did receive it at some point.
He was first in active service between 01 April 1908 and 28 August 1920, which is 12 years 4 months 27 days. This was enough for the WDA IV. und III. Klasse which he was awarded on 02. 10. 1936.
Then, he was in active service from 01 October 1932 onwards.
If we add up all the time he spent in active service until 01 September 1939, it amounts to 19 years 3 months 27 days.
This means he received the WDA II. Klasse sometime in 1938. I am unable to accurately calculate the exact date.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Georg Reimer (1888-1974)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 25 Feb 2024 22:07

I want to revisit Georg Reimer, more precisely the case of his Kolonial-Denkmünze and Kolonialabzeichen (Elefantenorden).

Like I said before: "The Kolonialabzeichen (Elefantenorden) is listed for Reimer in the 1926, 1928, 1929, 1930 and 1931 Reichsmarine Rangliste. The last Rangliste (1932) doesn't list the Kolonialabzeichen and instead, it lists the Kolonial-Denkmünze for him. I don't know if the error is in the 1932 Rangliste or all the previous Rangliste. In the photos of Reimer we have, it is not visible if he is wearing the Kolonialabzeichen."

The Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste confirms Reimer was awarded the Kolonial-Denkmünze mit Spange „Ponape 1910/11“ for his service on the Light Cruiser "Emden" (01 April 1910-00 June 1912). This is confirmed by the 1932 Reichsmarine Rangliste which also lists the Kolonial-Denkmünze for Reimer.

This leads me to believe the 1926, 1928, 1929, 1930 and 1931 Reichsmarine Rangliste were wrong and that Reimer was NOT awarded the Kolonialabzeichen (Elefantenorden). This decoration was awarded for service in the colonies during World War I.

Nothing in Reimer's biography points to him being stationed in the colonies during the duration of WW1:

- Watch-Officer on the Torpedo-Boat "S 19" of the VII. Torpedo-Boat-Flotilla (30 May 1914-00 December 1914)
- Commandant of the Torpedo-Boat "S 19" of the VII. Torpedo-Boat-Flotilla (00 December 1914-26 September 1916)
- Commandant of the Torpedo-Boats "G 93" and "G 172" of the VII. Torpedo-Boat-Flotilla (27 September 1916-30 March 1918)
- Commandant of the Torpedo-Boat "S 136" of the VII. Torpedo-Boat-Flotilla (30 April 1918-28 October 1918)
- Chief of the 14th Torpedo-Boat-Half-Flotilla (29 October 1918-21 June 1919)

All of these Torpedo Boats were stationed in Europe during WW1.

Do you agree we delete the Kolonialabzeichen (Elefantenorden) from Reimer's award list?
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Re: Konteradmiral Walther Oehler (1888-1968)

Post by graveland » 25 Feb 2024 22:56

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Konteradmiral Walther Oehler (1888-1968)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (23. 12. 1939) (did I write the award date correctly?)
Yes, you did.

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