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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 07 Oct 2023 14:56

graveland wrote:
07 Oct 2023 14:44
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 14:23
B is quite clearly the ribbon of the Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See. It was a red/yellow/red ribbon. See on Lietzmann's ribbon bar.

C can't be the Baltenkreuz because it would've been placed before the WDA. Besides, the colours of the ribbon don't match with the Baltenkreuz (which was a blue/white striped ribbon).

D is obviously the Orden der Krone von Italien (red/white/red coloured ribbon with crown device). The Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See did not have a crown device on the ribbon and it had different colours.
I totally disagree. For example, see the Baltekreuz after the WDA.
Ok, even if it could've been worn after the WDA, the ribbon Lohmann is wearing is still not the Baltekreuz. The ribbon colour doesn't fit. And he didn't serve in any Freikorps units in 1919 or 1920.

What about B and D? See my answer above.

Please also see post #1348 on the previous page.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Requin Marteau » 07 Oct 2023 16:02

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[-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse Are you sure ?
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse Are you sure ?

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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 07 Oct 2023 16:12

Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:02
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
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[-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse Are you sure ?
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse Are you sure ?
Yes, like I said (photographic evidence).
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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Requin Marteau » 07 Oct 2023 16:19

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:12
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:02
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
06 Oct 2023 09:30
[-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse Are you sure ?
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse Are you sure ?
Yes, like I said (photographic evidence).
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Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Requin Marteau » 07 Oct 2023 16:19

And add.

 Bulgarisches Komturkreuz des St Alexander Orden (30 novembre 1936),
 Japanisches Orden des Heiligen Schatzes 3. kl (20 janvier 1937),
 Cruz del Mérito Naval de 3. Clasa con Distintivo Blanco (21 août 1939),
 ??? (18 novembre 1937).
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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 07 Oct 2023 16:31

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07 Oct 2023 16:19
And add.
Thank you Thierry! I completely missed this part. There are no awards written there usually.

- Bulgarischer Orden von Heiligen Alexander, Kommandeurkreuz (30. 11. 1936)
- Japanischer Orden von Heiligen Schatzes III. Klasse [Kommandeurkeuz] (20. 01. 1937)
- Spanischer Marineverdienstkreuz III. Klasse in Gold [correct is "in Weiß"] (21. 08. 1939)
- ??? (18. 11. 1937) (what does it say here?)

P.S. Please answer on all 8 questions I asked for Löwisch, like I asked you in the private message. Thanks.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Requin Marteau » 07 Oct 2023 16:53

Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:19
And add.

 Bulgarisches Komturkreuz des St Alexander Orden (30 novembre 1936),
 Japanisches Orden des Heiligen Schatzes 3. kl (20 janvier 1937),
 Cruz del Mérito Naval de 3. Clasa con Distintivo Blanco (21 août 1939),
 ??? (18 novembre 1937).
Maybe : Chinesisches Jade Orden.

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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 07 Oct 2023 16:57

Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:53
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:19
And add.

 Bulgarisches Komturkreuz des St Alexander Orden (30 novembre 1936),
 Japanisches Orden des Heiligen Schatzes 3. kl (20 janvier 1937),
 Cruz del Mérito Naval de 3. Clasa con Distintivo Blanco (21 août 1939),
 ??? (18 novembre 1937).
Maybe : Chinesisches Jade Orden.
I agree: Chinesischer Jade-Orden am weißen ??? band mit ??? roten Kante
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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Requin Marteau » 07 Oct 2023 18:21

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:57
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:53
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:19
And add.

 Bulgarisches Komturkreuz des St Alexander Orden (30 novembre 1936),
 Japanisches Orden des Heiligen Schatzes 3. kl (20 janvier 1937),
 Cruz del Mérito Naval de 3. Clasa con Distintivo Blanco (21 août 1939),
 ??? (18 novembre 1937).
Maybe : Chinesisches Jade Orden.
I agree: Chinesischer Jade-Orden am weißen ??? band mit blau roten Kante

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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 07 Oct 2023 19:03

Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 18:21
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:57
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:53
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:19
And add.

 Bulgarisches Komturkreuz des St Alexander Orden (30 novembre 1936),
 Japanisches Orden des Heiligen Schatzes 3. kl (20 janvier 1937),
 Cruz del Mérito Naval de 3. Clasa con Distintivo Blanco (21 août 1939),
 ??? (18 novembre 1937).
Maybe : Chinesisches Jade Orden.
I agree: Chinesischer Jade-Orden am weißen ??? band mit blau roten Kante
It says "Chinesischer Jade-Orden am weißen Hals-band mit blau-rotem Kante".
Which class would this be? I found that this order had 9 classes. Since it says "Hals-band", it could be a neck decoration. 4. Klasse perhaps? If we compare with the photos of the Chinesischer Orden der Wolke und des Banners, the 4. Klasse had the "weißen Hals-band mit blau-rotem Band". So I pressume it's the same for the Jade-Orden.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Requin Marteau » 08 Oct 2023 07:52

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 19:03
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 18:21
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:57
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:53
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:19
And add.

 Bulgarisches Komturkreuz des St Alexander Orden (30 novembre 1936),
 Japanisches Orden des Heiligen Schatzes 3. kl (20 janvier 1937),
 Cruz del Mérito Naval de 3. Clasa con Distintivo Blanco (21 août 1939),
 ??? (18 novembre 1937).
Maybe : Chinesisches Jade Orden.
I agree: Chinesischer Jade-Orden am weißen ??? band mit blau roten Kante
It says "Chinesischer Jade-Orden am weißen Hals-band mit blau-rotem Band".
Which class would this be? I found that this order had 9 classes. Since it says "Hals-band", it could be a neck decoration. 4. Klasse perhaps? If we compare with the photos of the Chinesischer Orden der Wolke und des Banners, the 4. Klasse had the "weißen Hals-band mit blau-rotem Band". So I pressume it's the same for the Jade-Orden.
3. kl (kommandeur) or 4. kl (Offizier)

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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 08 Oct 2023 09:52

Requin Marteau wrote:
08 Oct 2023 07:52
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 19:03
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 18:21
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:57
Requin Marteau wrote:
07 Oct 2023 16:53


Maybe : Chinesisches Jade Orden.
I agree: Chinesischer Jade-Orden am weißen ??? band mit blau roten Kante
It says "Chinesischer Jade-Orden am weißen Hals-band mit blau-rotem Band".
Which class would this be? I found that this order had 9 classes. Since it says "Hals-band", it could be a neck decoration. 4. Klasse perhaps? If we compare with the photos of the Chinesischer Orden der Wolke und des Banners, the 4. Klasse had the "weißen Hals-band mit blau-rotem Band". So I pressume it's the same for the Jade-Orden.
3. kl (kommandeur) or 4. kl (Offizier)
I asked an expert on Chinese orders and he said that, according to the colour of the ribbon described in the Personalakte, it is the 5. Klasse. Photo below.
By the way, this Chinese order had 9 classes. And these classes were not named Kommandeur, Offizier and so on like with the European orders.

P.S. Please also share your opinion about Fricke's and Schuster's Orden der Stern von Rumänien I. Klasse I wrote about in post #1348. See here: viewtopic.php?p=2496385#p2496385
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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 08 Oct 2023 10:35

askropp, please update Lohmann's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Please also delete all the text at the bottom of his list: "*On Lohmann's ribbon bar the 4 last ribbons are foreign...".


Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2182649&hi ... n#p2182649

-Deutsches Kreuz in Silber am 11.03.1945 als Vizeadmiral und Admiral der Kriegsmarinedienststelle Hamburg, zugl. Kommandeur der Marinebordflakbrigade Nord
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (27. 04. 1916)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (29. 04. 1918)
-Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz (01. 11. 1918)
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (1918)
-Deutsches Reichssportabzeichen
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (30. 01. 1935)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Kommandeurkreuz des Königlich Bulgarischen St. Alexander-Ordens (30. 11. 1936)
-Kommandeurkreuz des Kaiserlich Japanischen Ordens des Heiligen Schatzes (20. 01. 1937)
-Chinesischer Jade-Orden V. Klasse am weißen Hals-band mit blau-rotem Kante (18. 11. 1937)
-Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See III. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen (21. 08. 1939)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1941)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)
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Re: Admiral Kurt Fricke and Admiral Karlgeorg Schuster

Post by graveland » 08 Oct 2023 12:39

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
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I found an explanation for Fricke's and Schuster's Orden der Stern von Rumänien I. Klasse. They were both awarded ONLY the "I. Klasse" of this order, and NOT also the "Großkreuz". This is because, instead of later being awarded the higher class (Großkreuz) of the same order for their service as Oberbefehlshaber Süd, they were both awarded the Orden „Michael der Tapfere“ III. Klasse instead, which was Romania's highest military decoration.

Also, I concluded the three different dates we have for Fricke's Orden der Stern von Rumänien I. Klasse are for the following:

The date we have from the Monitorul Oficial, "07. 11. 1941", is the date when the King of Romania decided to award Fricke this order (i.e. Romanian award date).

The date that comes from Manfred Dörr's book, "25. 04. 1942", is the date of the presentation of the award itself to Fricke. In the book it clearly says: "Already presented on 25.04.1942 in Berlin by the Romanian military attaché Oberst Gheorghe".

The other date that comes from Manfred Dörr's book, "07. 10. 1942", is the German approval date.


Do you agree with this explanation/conclusion?
Yes, I do full agree.

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Char. Vizeadmiral Max Looff (1874-1954)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 09 Oct 2023 10:15

Max Looff has a Personalakte, but it has not yet been digitized. When it does, I will revisit his award list.
In the meantime, I will add some dates from the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste.

- Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille (Zentenarmedaille) 1897 (22. 03. 1897)
- Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (26. 11. 1900)
- Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden IV. Klasse am Bande der Rettungsmedaille (08. 02. 1902)
- Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse (16. 01. 1910)

1. There also remains the question of the class of his Marineverwundetenabzeichen (1918). I always thought he had the version in "Schwarz". Since he is not listed in any of the Reichsmarine Rangliste, it's not possible to check the exact class. However, I have this photo (see the 1st photo below) of his supposed awards. On this photo the Marineverwundetenabzeichen (1918) in Gold is visible. It is said these awards belonged to Looff. We have further proof that he was wounded here: https://ww1blog.osborneink.com/?tag=nav ... t&paged=12
The text says: "Less than a half-hour later, a large explosion indicates serious damage; already wounded on the bridge, Looff continues to rally his men until he is knocked unconscious by an abdominal wound. Revived, he orders his men to scuttle the ship."
As you can see, the text says he was wounded at least twice, with the second wound being very serious.
Another thing is how the Marineverwundetenabzeichen (1918) looks on the few photos we have of Looff (see the 2nd photo below). It looks too bright to be the version in "Schwarz". Based only on the photos of the badge in wear, it could then be "Silber" or "Gold".
After taking into consideration his photos, the photo of his supposed awards and the explanation of his multiple woundings, I believe he was awarded the Marineverwundetenabzeichen (1918) in Gold. Do you agree we change the class of this award from "Schwarz" to "Gold" for Looff?
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