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Re: Konteradmiral Hasso von Bredow (1883-1966)

Post by graveland » 14 Dec 2023 20:25

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Should we add it to his list then (the Schlesischer Adler-Orden II. Stufe I mean)?

This is how I would ID his ribbon bar from the photo I posted. Tell me if you agree please?

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
- Ritterkreuz I. Klasse des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit Schwertern
- Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
- Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen (Schlesischer Adler) II. Stufe
- Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung III. Klasse
- Königlich Ungarisches Verdienstkreuz II. Klasse
- Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See I. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen
- Königlich Norwegische König Haakon VII. Krönungsmedaille
Full agree with you, mate. Your ID is completely correct. I would add the Schlesischer Adler 2. Stufe to his list.

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Re: Konteradmiral Hasso von Bredow (1883-1966)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 14 Dec 2023 21:47

askropp, please update von Bredow's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Also, delete all the text at the bottom of his award list.


Konteradmiral Hasso von Bredow (1883-1966) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2185758&hi ... w#p2185758

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (21. 02. 1916)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (05. 11. 1918)
-Königlich Norwegische König Haakon VII. Krönungsmedaille 1906 (23. 08. 1906)
-Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See I. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen (09. 07. 1912)
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse (24. 06. 1914)
-Ritterkreuz I. Klasse des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit Schwertern (07. 08. 1916)
-Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen (Schlesischer Adler) II. Stufe
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz (01. 12. 1920)
-Ehrenritter des Königlich Preußischen Johanniter-Ordens (1923)
-Königlich Ungarisches Verdienstkreuz II. Klasse (29. 06. 1928)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (29. 10. 1934)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (24. 09. 1940)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)

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Konteradmiral Hermann von Bredow (1893-1954)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 15 Dec 2023 11:31

Konteradmiral Hermann von Bredow (1893-1954)

1st photo below:

- Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (21. 12. 1912)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (18. 11. 1915)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (23. 09. 1917)
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (1934)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung II. bis IV. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1937)

2nd photo below:

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (18. 11. 1915)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (29. 09. 1917)
- Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (21. 12. 1912)
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (30. 11. 1934)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung II. bis IV. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1937)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (20. 04. 1942)

1. There are two different award dates for his Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse: "23. 09. 1917" and "29. 09. 1917".
I think the correct award date is "29. 09. 1917", because it looks like the "3" in the second document was corrected into "9".
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Re: Konteradmiral Hermann von Bredow (1893-1954)

Post by graveland » 15 Dec 2023 13:21

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
15 Dec 2023 11:31
Konteradmiral Hermann von Bredow (1893-1954)

1. There are two different award dates for his Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse: "23. 09. 1917" and "29. 09. 1917".
I think the correct award date is "29. 09. 1917", because it looks like the "3" in the second document was corrected into "9".
Do you agree?
Yes, I do.

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Re: Konteradmiral Hermann von Bredow (1893-1954)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 15 Dec 2023 15:28

askropp, please update von Bredow's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Konteradmiral Hermann von Bredow (1893-1954) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2185795&hi ... w#p2185795

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (18. 11. 1915)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (29. 09. 1917)
-Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (21. 12. 1912)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (30. 11. 1934)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1937)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (20. 04. 1942)

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Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 15 Dec 2023 15:56

Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

1st photo below:

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (1918)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung II. bis IV. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (27. 11. 1939)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (09. 11. 1941)
- Finnischer Orden des Freiheitskreuzes II. Klasse mit Schwertern (27. ...) (the rest of the award date is not visible)
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (05. 01. 1935)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1939) I. Klasse (25. 04. 1943)
- It. Kr. i. S. (24. ...) (which award is this? Also, the full date is not visible...)

2nd photo below:

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung II. bis IV. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (27. 11. 1939)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (09. 11. 1941)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1939) I. Klasse (25. 04. 1943)
- Deutsches Kreuz in Gold (24. 09. 1944)
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (05. 01. 1935)
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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

Post by graveland » 15 Dec 2023 16:14

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
15 Dec 2023 15:56
Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

It. Kr. i. S. (24. ...) (which award is this? Also, the full date is not visible...)
This is the Italienisches Kriegskreuz mit Schwerter (Croce Al Valore di Guerra).

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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 15 Dec 2023 16:33

graveland wrote:
15 Dec 2023 16:14
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
15 Dec 2023 15:56
Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

It. Kr. i. S. (24. ...) (which award is this? Also, the full date is not visible...)
This is the Italienisches Kriegskreuz mit Schwerter (Croce Al Valore di Guerra).
This one: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croce_di_ ... r_militare ?
The same one that Eberhard Weichold was awarded?
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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

Post by graveland » 15 Dec 2023 17:28

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
15 Dec 2023 16:33
graveland wrote:
15 Dec 2023 16:14
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
15 Dec 2023 15:56
Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

It. Kr. i. S. (24. ...) (which award is this? Also, the full date is not visible...)
This is the Italienisches Kriegskreuz mit Schwerter (Croce Al Valore di Guerra).
This one: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croce_di_ ... r_militare ?
The same one that Eberhard Weichold was awarded?
Yes to both questions.

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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 15 Dec 2023 17:47

graveland wrote:
15 Dec 2023 17:28
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
15 Dec 2023 16:33
graveland wrote:
15 Dec 2023 16:14
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
15 Dec 2023 15:56
Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

It. Kr. i. S. (24. ...) (which award is this? Also, the full date is not visible...)
This is the Italienisches Kriegskreuz mit Schwerter (Croce Al Valore di Guerra).
This one: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croce_di_ ... r_militare ?
The same one that Eberhard Weichold was awarded?
Yes to both questions.
Ok. But I am still not convinced this is the award in question.
There are two reasons why:

1. You said the letters in the document mean "Italienisches Kriegskreuz mit Schwertern". But, the third letter is "i", not "m". And since the last letter is "S", the two last letters could mean "in Silber".

2. The Croce di guerra al valor militare didn't have the "Schwertern" as a separate addition. It's true a sword was on the ribbon, but this was just to differentiate this award from the Croce al merito di guerra.
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Post by Requin Marteau » 16 Dec 2023 08:52

I think that it is indeed the Croce di guerra al valor militare with swords on the ribbon, and that for the translation this gives the Italienisches Kriegskreuz mit Schwertern.

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Post by graveland » 16 Dec 2023 13:35

I am still thinking that it is most likely the Croce di guerra al valor militare.

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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 16 Dec 2023 22:32

Ok guys, since it is two against one, I will add the Croce di guerra al valor militare to Breuning's award list, but with "not confirmed" written in brackets.

I want to emphasize once again, the abbreviation written is "It. Kr. i. S." and NOT "It. Kr. m. S."
If you compare this with other entries in the same card, you will notice "mit Schwertern" is written as "m. Schw.". There is no reason the same clerk would write down the same thing in two different ways.

That's why we cannot be 100% sure this abbreviation is for the Croce di guerra al valor militare.

For example, it could be "Italienischen Krone in Silber", which could indicate the "Offizierskreuz des Ordens der Krone von Italien" (Silver crown on the ribbon indicated Offizierskreuz).

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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

Post by graveland » 17 Dec 2023 15:15

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
16 Dec 2023 22:32
Ok guys, since it is two against one, I will add the Croce di guerra al valor militare to Breuning's award list, but with "not confirmed" written in brackets.
I do not affirm but rather I assume that it is about that medal.
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For example, it could be "Italienischen Krone in Silber", which could indicate the "Offizierskreuz des Ordens der Krone von Italien" (Silver crown on the ribbon indicated Offizierskreuz).

Please share your opinions.
That's a big assumption. I have never seen those abbreviations to refer to the Ordens der Krone von Italien.

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Re: Konteradmiral Erich Alfred Breuning (1897-1978)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Dec 2023 15:21

graveland wrote:
17 Dec 2023 15:15
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
16 Dec 2023 22:32
Ok guys, since it is two against one, I will add the Croce di guerra al valor militare to Breuning's award list, but with "not confirmed" written in brackets.
I do not affirm but rather I assume that it is about that medal.
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
16 Dec 2023 22:32
For example, it could be "Italienischen Krone in Silber", which could indicate the "Offizierskreuz des Ordens der Krone von Italien" (Silver crown on the ribbon indicated Offizierskreuz).

Please share your opinions.
That's a big assumption. I have never seen those abbreviations to refer to the Ordens der Krone von Italien.
I just made an example. I don't claim it's the Orden der Krone von Italien.
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