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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by graveland » 08 Sep 2023 13:58

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 12:24
Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)
11.12.1917: Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz 1. und 2. Klasse
15.09.1917: Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz
14.10.1919: U-Bootskriegsabzeichen
00.12.1920: Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
28.04.1942: Großkreuz des Ordens der Krone von Rumänien mit Schwertern
02.08.1918: Königlich Schwedischer Schwerter Orden 1. Klasse (15. 03. 1919 German approval date)

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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 08 Sep 2023 14:14

graveland wrote:
08 Sep 2023 13:58
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 12:24
Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)
11.12.1917: Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz 1. und 2. Klasse
15.09.1917: Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz
14.10.1919: U-Bootskriegsabzeichen
00.12.1920: Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
28.04.1942: Großkreuz des Ordens der Krone von Rumänien mit Schwertern
02.08.1918: Königlich Schwedischer Schwerter Orden 1. Klasse (15. 03. 1919 German approval date)
Thank you Gregg.

But it doesn't say anywhere he received the Großkreuz des Ordens der Krone von Rumänien "mit Schwertern". The part "im Frieden" (in Peace) should indicate he received it WITHOUT "Schwertern".

What are the two words written after "I. Klasse" in the Swedish order?

What exactly is it written after 25 (Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz entry)?
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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by graveland » 08 Sep 2023 18:47

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08 Sep 2023 14:14
But it doesn't say anywhere he received the Großkreuz des Ordens der Krone von Rumänien "mit Schwertern". The part "im Frieden" (in Peace) should indicate he received it WITHOUT "Schwertern".
Yes, it is also possible that he was granted ohne Schwerter at a late date, with Romania fighting in the war.

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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 08 Sep 2023 18:52

graveland wrote:
08 Sep 2023 18:47
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 14:14
But it doesn't say anywhere he received the Großkreuz des Ordens der Krone von Rumänien "mit Schwertern". The part "im Frieden" (in Peace) should indicate he received it WITHOUT "Schwertern".
Yes, it is also possible that he was granted ohne Schwerter at a late date, with Romania fighting in the war.
I think his was without the "Schwertern", without a doubt. It was still possible to be awarded this version even during wartime.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by graveland » 08 Sep 2023 18:53

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 18:52
graveland wrote:
08 Sep 2023 18:47
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 14:14
But it doesn't say anywhere he received the Großkreuz des Ordens der Krone von Rumänien "mit Schwertern". The part "im Frieden" (in Peace) should indicate he received it WITHOUT "Schwertern".
Yes, it is also possible that he was granted ohne Schwerter at a late date, with Romania fighting in the war.
I think his was without the "Schwertern", without a doubt. It was still possible to be awarded this version even during wartime.
Well, it's the first case I've seen.

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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 08 Sep 2023 18:57

graveland wrote:
08 Sep 2023 18:53
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 18:52
graveland wrote:
08 Sep 2023 18:47
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 14:14
But it doesn't say anywhere he received the Großkreuz des Ordens der Krone von Rumänien "mit Schwertern". The part "im Frieden" (in Peace) should indicate he received it WITHOUT "Schwertern".
Yes, it is also possible that he was granted ohne Schwerter at a late date, with Romania fighting in the war.
I think his was without the "Schwertern", without a doubt. It was still possible to be awarded this version even during wartime.
Well, it's the first case I've seen.
It's pretty simple. If he was awarded this order with the "Schwertern", then the document would say so. Since it doesn't, and instead it says "für Militärverdienst im Frieden", it's pretty obvious he was awarded this order without the "Schwertern", possibly because his role in Romania was only as an advisor. There is no indication what he did in Romania during the time he was Placed at the Disposal of the Commander-in-Chief of the Kriegsmarine (24 June 1940-31 August 1942).
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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 10 Sep 2023 21:39

askropp, please update Götting's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Also, please delete the text at the bottom of the award list: "* "Not confirmed, it could also be the...".


Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2181389&hi ... g#p2181389

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (28. 05. 1915)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (10. 06. 1916)
-Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz (15. 09. 1917)
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse mit Spange „Vor dem Feinde“ (11. 12. 1917)
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse (11. 12. 1917)
-Ritterkreuz I. Klasse des Königlich Schwedischen Schwertordens (02. 08. 1918, Approved on 15. 03. 1919)
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (1918) (14. 10. 1919)
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz (00. 12. 1920)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Deutsches Olympia-Ehrenzeichen I. Klasse (05. 09. 1936)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Großkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Rumänien (28. 04. 1942)
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Vizeadmiral Werner Grassmann (1888-1943)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 10 Sep 2023 21:58

Werner Grassmann has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards. However, I will add a date from the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste.

askropp, please update Grassmann's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Vizeadmiral Werner Grassmann (1888-1943) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2181433&hi ... n#p2181433

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Belgischen Ordens Leopolds II. (14. 08. 1912, Approved on 19. 10. 1912)
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Siamesischen Weißen Elefantenordens (10. 08. 1915)
-Österreichische Kriegs-Erinnerungs-Medaille mit Schwertern
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse
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Vizeadmiral Heinrich Hanke (1890-1945)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 10 Sep 2023 22:12

I was unable to find the Personalakte of Heinrich Hanke on Invenio. If someone finds it, please let me know.

Vizeadmiral Heinrich Hanke (1890-1945) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2181490&hi ... e#p2181490

askropp, please delete the first two photos currently posted for Hanke, and add these photos:
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Re: Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Walter Fröhlich (1893-1969)

Post by Requin Marteau » 12 Sep 2023 07:07

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 11:56
Walter Fröhlich has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards.

Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Walter Fröhlich (1893-1969) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2181338&hi ... h#p2181338

askropp, please delete both photos that are currently posted for Fröhlich. The officer in the first photo is NOT Fröhlich.
Replace those two photos with these new ones:
There is another badge next to the submariner badge

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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by Requin Marteau » 12 Sep 2023 07:45

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-Großkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Rumänien (28. 04. 1942)
The civilian version doesn't have a cross above the cross, while the military version has one (we add swords in times of war).
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Re: Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Walter Fröhlich (1893-1969)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 12 Sep 2023 09:39

Requin Marteau wrote:
12 Sep 2023 07:07
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 11:56
Walter Fröhlich has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards.

Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Walter Fröhlich (1893-1969) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2181338&hi ... h#p2181338

askropp, please delete both photos that are currently posted for Fröhlich. The officer in the first photo is NOT Fröhlich.
Replace those two photos with these new ones:
There is another badge next to the submariner badge
That's correct, but it's impossible to know what it is for certain.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Friedrich Götting (1886-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 12 Sep 2023 09:40

Requin Marteau wrote:
12 Sep 2023 07:45
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
10 Sep 2023 21:39
-Großkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Rumänien (28. 04. 1942)
The civilian version doesn't have a cross above the cross, while the military version has one (we add swords in times of war).
Do you agree Götting was awarded the Großkreuz WITHOUT the "Schwertern"?
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Re: Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Walter Fröhlich (1893-1969)

Post by graveland » 12 Sep 2023 12:59

Requin Marteau wrote:
12 Sep 2023 07:07
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 11:56
Walter Fröhlich has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards.

Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Walter Fröhlich (1893-1969) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2181338&hi ... h#p2181338

askropp, please delete both photos that are currently posted for Fröhlich. The officer in the first photo is NOT Fröhlich.
Replace those two photos with these new ones:
There is another badge next to the submariner badge
To me it is the Kriegsabzeichen für die Marineartillerie.

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Re: Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Walter Fröhlich (1893-1969)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 12 Sep 2023 13:58

graveland wrote:
12 Sep 2023 12:59
Requin Marteau wrote:
12 Sep 2023 07:07
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
08 Sep 2023 11:56
Walter Fröhlich has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards.

Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Walter Fröhlich (1893-1969) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2181338&hi ... h#p2181338

askropp, please delete both photos that are currently posted for Fröhlich. The officer in the first photo is NOT Fröhlich.
Replace those two photos with these new ones:
There is another badge next to the submariner badge
To me it is the Kriegsabzeichen für die Marineartillerie.
He held no command that would make him eligible for the Kriegsabzeichen für die Marineartillerie.
However, he was eligible for the Flottenkriegsabzeichen because he was the Fleet-Engineer with Fleet-Command (11 December 1939-07 January 1941).
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