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Re: Vizeadmiral Hans Hubertus von Stosch (1889-1945)

Post by graveland » 15 Nov 2023 16:08

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15 Nov 2023 11:27
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13 Nov 2023 11:46
askropp, please update von Stosch's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Vizeadmiral Hans Hubertus von Stosch (1889-1945) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2184481&hi ... h#p2184481
-Ehrenritter des Königlich Preußischen Johanniter-Ordens
Are you sure ?
It is listed for him in the 1928 Reichsmarine Rangliste (see photo below). But it is only listed in this edition (1928). I checked all the other editions I have, and it is not listed in any of them.
Perhaps it's an error?
Should we keep it or delete it?
We should keep it.

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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 15 Nov 2023 17:04

askropp, please update Thäter's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Vizeadmiral (Ing.) Karl Thäter (1886-1962) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2184540&hi ... r#p2184540

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (22. 09. 1918)
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnung III. Klasse
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (1918) (07. 06. 1918)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (1935)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (16. 12. 1940)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)

Please also add this new photo of Thäter:
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Vizeadmiral August Thiele (1893-1981)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 16 Nov 2023 21:50

Vizeadmiral August Thiele (1893-1981)

1st photo below:

First column:
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (08. 01. 1916)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (29. 06. 1919)
- Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz (30. 05. 1918)
- Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (30. 06. 1926)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (05. 03. 1937) (this award date is incorrect. The correct one is "01. 04. 1937")
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (14. 04. 1940)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (15. 04. 1940)
- Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (18. 01. 1941)
- Eichenlaub zum Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (14. 04. 1945) (this date is wrong, all the experts agree that the correct date is "08. 04. 1945")

Second column:
- Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz (30. 05. 1918)

2nd photo below:

First column:
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (08. 01. 1916)
- Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz (30. 05. 1918)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (29. 06. 1919)
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (28. ??. 1935) (is the month written "01" or "11"?)
- Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1937)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (14. 04. 1940)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (15. 04. 1940)
- Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (18. 01. 1941)
- Deutsches Kreuz in Gold (09. 03. 1945)
- Marinefrontspange in Bronze (12. 04. 1945)
- Eichenlaub zum Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (14. 04. 1945) (this date is wrong, all the experts agree that the correct date is "08. 04. 1945")

Second column:
- Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (30. 06. 1926)
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Re: Vizeadmiral August Thiele (1893-1981)

Post by graveland » 17 Nov 2023 15:07

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16 Nov 2023 21:50
Vizeadmiral August Thiele (1893-1981)
28.11.1935 Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

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Re: Vizeadmiral August Thiele (1893-1981)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Nov 2023 15:25

askropp, please update Thiele's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Also, please delete the text at the bottom of his award list.


Vizeadmiral August Thiele (1893-1981) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2184571&hi ... e#p2184571

-Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (35) am 18.01.1941 als Kapitän zur See und Kommandant des Schwerer Kreuzers „Lützow“
-Eichenlaub zum Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes (824) am 08.04.1945 als Vizeadmiral und Befehlshaber der Kampfgruppe „Thiele“
-Deutsches Kreuz in Gold am 09.03.1945 als Vizeadmiral und Befehlshaber der Kampfgruppe 2
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (08. 01. 1916)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (29. 06. 1919)
-Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz (30. 05. 1918)
-Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (30. 06. 1926)
-Deutsches Reichssportabzeichen
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (28. 11. 1935)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1937)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (14. 04. 1940)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (15. 04. 1940)
-Flottenkriegsabzeichen
-Marinefrontspange in Bronze (12. 04. 1945)
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Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Nov 2023 15:57

Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

1st photo below:

First column:
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (15. 05. 1916)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (21. 06. 1918)
- U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (20. 08. 1918)
- Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. und II. Klasse (01. 04. 1923)
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (05. 03. 1942)
- Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (15. 03. 1942)

Second column:
- k.u.k. Österreich-Ungarisches Militärverdienstkreuz III. Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration

1. In the 2nd photo below, the date for the "Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer" is quite obviously wrong. The date written (the month is wrong also) is for the OFA2 and OFA1.

2. According to the 3rd photo below, Topp was proposed for the awarding of the Deutsches Kreuz in Silber in 1944. However, this proposal was rejected.

3. In the 4th photo below, Topp is wearing 4 badge awards. Except the EK1 and the U-Bootskriegsabzeichen, there are two more unknown awards.
Number 1 could be the Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse. What do you think?
But what is number 2 then?
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Re: Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

Post by graveland » 17 Nov 2023 16:33

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
17 Nov 2023 15:57
Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

3. In the 4th photo below, Topp is wearing 4 badge awards. Except the EK1 and the U-Bootskriegsabzeichen, there are two more unknown awards.
Number 1 could be the Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse. What do you think?
But what is number 2 then?
1: Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz 1. Klasse
2: Sportabzeichen

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Re: Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Nov 2023 16:46

graveland wrote:
17 Nov 2023 16:33
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
17 Nov 2023 15:57
Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

3. In the 4th photo below, Topp is wearing 4 badge awards. Except the EK1 and the U-Bootskriegsabzeichen, there are two more unknown awards.
Number 1 could be the Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse. What do you think?
But what is number 2 then?
1: Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz 1. Klasse
2: Sportabzeichen
Thank you Gregg.
How sure are you about the Sportabzeichen? It's a good guess.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

Post by graveland » 17 Nov 2023 17:28

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
17 Nov 2023 16:46
graveland wrote:
17 Nov 2023 16:33
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
17 Nov 2023 15:57
Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

3. In the 4th photo below, Topp is wearing 4 badge awards. Except the EK1 and the U-Bootskriegsabzeichen, there are two more unknown awards.
Number 1 could be the Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse. What do you think?
But what is number 2 then?
1: Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz 1. Klasse
2: Sportabzeichen
Thank you Gregg.
How sure are you about the Sportabzeichen? It's a good guess.
I could not tell you, Karlo. It is hard to be 100% sure.

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Re: Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Nov 2023 21:19

graveland wrote:
17 Nov 2023 17:28
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
17 Nov 2023 16:46
graveland wrote:
17 Nov 2023 16:33
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
17 Nov 2023 15:57
Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

3. In the 4th photo below, Topp is wearing 4 badge awards. Except the EK1 and the U-Bootskriegsabzeichen, there are two more unknown awards.
Number 1 could be the Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse. What do you think?
But what is number 2 then?
1: Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz 1. Klasse
2: Sportabzeichen
Thank you Gregg.
How sure are you about the Sportabzeichen? It's a good guess.
I could not tell you, Karlo. It is hard to be 100% sure.
We will have to wait for more photos to surface before we can add it to his award list then.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 17 Nov 2023 21:35

askropp, please update Topp's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Vizeadmiral Karl Topp (1895-1981) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2184587&hi ... p#p2184587

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (15. 05. 1916)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (21. 06. 1918)
-k.u.k. Österreich-Ungarisches Militärverdienstkreuz III. Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (1918) (20. 08. 1918)
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse mit Spange „Vor dem Feinde“ (01. 04. 1923)
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse (01. 04. 1923)
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1939)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse (05. 03. 1942)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse (15. 03. 1942)
-Flottenkriegsabzeichen
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Vizeadmiral z.V. Wolf von Trotha (1884-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 18 Nov 2023 11:16

Wolf von Trotha has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards. However, I will add some dates from the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste and the date for the WDA.
Even though he retired on 30 September 1936, I am pretty sure he was awarded the WDA IV. bis I. Klasse on 02 October 1936 like everyone else. Do you agree?

askropp, please update von Trotha's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.

Vizeadmiral z.V. Wolf von Trotha (1884-1946) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2184719&hi ... a#p2184719

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Ehrenkreuz III. Klasse des Fürstlichen Hausordens von Hohenzollern (22. 11. 1913)
-Ehrenkreuz III. Klasse des Fürstlichen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern
-Ehrenritter des Königlich Preußischen Johanniter-Ordens (25. 02. 1918)
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
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Re: Vizeadmiral z.V. Wolf von Trotha (1884-1946)

Post by graveland » 18 Nov 2023 14:45

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
18 Nov 2023 11:16
Wolf von Trotha has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards. However, I will add some dates from the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste and the date for the WDA.
Even though he retired on 30 September 1936, I am pretty sure he was awarded the WDA IV. bis I. Klasse on 02 October 1936 like everyone else. Do you agree?
We would have to wait for more photos before we can add it to his award list.

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Re: Vizeadmiral z.V. Wolf von Trotha (1884-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 18 Nov 2023 14:57

graveland wrote:
18 Nov 2023 14:45
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
18 Nov 2023 11:16
Wolf von Trotha has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards. However, I will add some dates from the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste and the date for the WDA.
Even though he retired on 30 September 1936, I am pretty sure he was awarded the WDA IV. bis I. Klasse on 02 October 1936 like everyone else. Do you agree?
We would have to wait for more photos before we can add it to his award list.
Why? There are two photos where he is wearing the WDA.
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Re: Vizeadmiral z.V. Wolf von Trotha (1884-1946)

Post by graveland » 18 Nov 2023 15:04

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
18 Nov 2023 14:57
graveland wrote:
18 Nov 2023 14:45
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
18 Nov 2023 11:16
Wolf von Trotha has a Personalakte, but there are no documents mentioning awards. However, I will add some dates from the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste and the date for the WDA.
Even though he retired on 30 September 1936, I am pretty sure he was awarded the WDA IV. bis I. Klasse on 02 October 1936 like everyone else. Do you agree?
We would have to wait for more photos before we can add it to his award list.
Why? There are two photos where he is wearing the WDA.
Really? :oops:

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