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Re: Admiral Wilhelm Canaris (1887-1945)

Post by luftk » 04 Jan 2019 20:51

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
04 Jan 2019 20:42
Source for Canaris, Finnischer Orden des Freiheitskreuzes I. Klasse mit Stern, Eichenlaub und Schwertern (19. 09. 1941):
Wiljo E. Tuompo: Päiväkirjani päämajasta 1941–1944. WSOY, Porvoo/Helsinki 1968
Quoted here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_C ... te_note-54
I don't know what the second to last ribbon for Canaris could be.
Thanks.
The last ribbon seems to be single colour, so Hungarian Order of Merit could be one option, or also the Bulgarian Order of St. Alexander. It seems to be only an Officer grade award, so something he may have gotten in the 1920s- just a guess.

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Re: Admiral Paul Fanger (1889-1945)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 04 Jan 2019 20:58

No problem.
Regarding Fanger. If at least we had a better quality photo. Someone might post it if they have it.
I can put the 2 additional awards you spotted on the list. With "not confirmed" in the brackets.
So:
Commander's Cross of the Hungarian Order of Merit
Grand Cross of the Spanish Order of Naval Merit
Is that how you would write it down?
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Admiral z.V. Otto Feige (1882-1951)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 04 Jan 2019 21:51

Admiral z.V. Otto Feige (1882-1951)

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse mit Spange “Vor dem Feinde”
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse
-Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Kommandeurkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Rumänien mit Schwertern (03. 03. 1943)

*Looking at the length of his ribbon bar it is quite obvious he had more awards than those listed above. But unfortunately all the photos are of pretty low quality so the rest of the awards on his ribbon bar can't be identified and are presumably foreign.
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Re: Admiral Paul Fanger (1889-1945)

Post by luftk » 04 Jan 2019 23:44

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
04 Jan 2019 20:58
luftk wrote:
04 Jan 2019 20:51
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
04 Jan 2019 20:42
Source for Canaris, Finnischer Orden des Freiheitskreuzes I. Klasse mit Stern, Eichenlaub und Schwertern (19. 09. 1941):
Wiljo E. Tuompo: Päiväkirjani päämajasta 1941–1944. WSOY, Porvoo/Helsinki 1968
Quoted here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_C ... te_note-54
I don't know what the second to last ribbon for Canaris could be.
Thanks.
The last ribbon seems to be single colour, so Hungarian Order of Merit could be one option, or also the Bulgarian Order of St. Alexander. It seems to be only an Officer grade award, so something he may have gotten in the 1920s- just a guess.
No problem.
Regarding Fanger. If at least we had a better quality photo. Someone might post it if they have it.
I can put the 2 additional awards you spotted on the list. With "not confirmed" in the brackets.
So:
Commander's Cross of the Hungarian Order of Merit
Grand Cross of the Spanish Order of Naval Merit
Is that how you would write it down?
I do not know the class of the Spanish Order of Naval Merit but I do not believe it is Grand Cross. It does not appear to be large enough.

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Re: Admiral z.V. Otto Feige (1882-1951)

Post by luftk » 04 Jan 2019 23:46

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04 Jan 2019 21:51
Admiral z.V. Otto Feige (1882-1951)

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse mit Spange “Vor dem Feinde”
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse
-Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz I. Klasse
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)

*Looking at the length of his ribbon bar it is quite obvious he had more awards than those listed above. But unfortunately all the photos are of pretty low quality so the rest of the awards on his ribbon bar can't be identified and are presumably foreign.
I agree. There are at least two other ribbons after the Long Service Decorations. They are NOT pre-1914, going by the 1914 Rank List.

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Re: Admiral Paul Fanger (1889-1945)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 05 Jan 2019 00:35

luftk wrote:
04 Jan 2019 23:44
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
04 Jan 2019 20:58
luftk wrote:
04 Jan 2019 20:51
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
04 Jan 2019 20:42
Source for Canaris, Finnischer Orden des Freiheitskreuzes I. Klasse mit Stern, Eichenlaub und Schwertern (19. 09. 1941):
Wiljo E. Tuompo: Päiväkirjani päämajasta 1941–1944. WSOY, Porvoo/Helsinki 1968
Quoted here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_C ... te_note-54
I don't know what the second to last ribbon for Canaris could be.
Thanks.
The last ribbon seems to be single colour, so Hungarian Order of Merit could be one option, or also the Bulgarian Order of St. Alexander. It seems to be only an Officer grade award, so something he may have gotten in the 1920s- just a guess.
No problem.
Regarding Fanger. If at least we had a better quality photo. Someone might post it if they have it.
I can put the 2 additional awards you spotted on the list. With "not confirmed" in the brackets.
So:
Commander's Cross of the Hungarian Order of Merit
Grand Cross of the Spanish Order of Naval Merit
Is that how you would write it down?
I do not know the class of the Spanish Order of Naval Merit but I do not believe it is Grand Cross. It does not appear to be large enough.
To my knowledge the Spanish Order of Naval Merit was divided (at that time) into 4 Classes: Grand Cross, 3rd, 2nd, and 1st Class.

IV. Klasse (Großkreuz) - auf besondere Veranlassung; damit verbunden war das Prädikat Excellenz
III. Klasse - bis zum Dienstrang General
II. Klasse - bis zum Dienstrang Oberst
I. Klasse - bis zum Dienstrang Hauptmann

And only the Grand Cross came with a Breast Star? However, I can't find anywhere a good site with photos of each class. If you know any please share.
The Order was reformed several times (most notably in 1936 and 1942), but the German Admirals recieved it mostly in 1938 or 1939 (so the 1936 version).
Here is the description from wiki: "The cross is worn on a ribbon on the left side of chest. Each subsequent award is denoted by a bar with the date of bestowal on the ribbon. The Grand Cross has the same form as the cross described above but is worn on a sash over the right shoulder. The star added to the class of Grand Cross is gilt, eight-pointed, with the cross superimposed on it; currently between the arms of the cross there are alternate towers (Castile) and lions (León)."
If this info correct, then Fanger must be wearing the Breast Star of the Grand Cross.
If you know something more about this award please do tell.
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Cartaphilus » 05 Jan 2019 00:40

3rd and 2nd class of the Spanish Naval Merit Order had a breast star also, smaller that the Grand Cross.
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 05 Jan 2019 00:44

Cartaphilus wrote:
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3rd class of the Spanish Naval Merit Order had a breast star also, smaller that the Grand Cross.
Thank you Cartaphilus. Do you think Fanger recieved the 3rd Class then? See the photo luftk posted on the bottom of the previous page.
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Cartaphilus » 05 Jan 2019 00:49

Fanger commanded the battleship Deutschland during Spanish Civil War. As a Kapitän zur See, he might be awarded with the 3nd class.

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Admiral Hermann von Fischel (1887-1950)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 05 Jan 2019 00:50

Admiral Hermann von Fischel (1887-1950)

-Deutsches Kreuz in Gold am 25.05.1943 als Admiral und Kommandierender Admiral Kanalküste
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern (18. 08. 1918)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse
-k.u.k. Österreichischer Orden der Eisernen Krone III. Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration
-k.u.k. Österreichisches Militär-Verdienstkreuz III. Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration
-Kaiserlich Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (1918)
-Schlesischer Adler-Orden II. und I. Stufe
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht-Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Medalla de la Campaña de España (1936−1939)
-Spanienkreuz in Gold mit Schwertern (06. 06. 1939)
-Großkreuz des Königlich Spanisch-Marokkanischen Mehdauia-Ordens (05. 03. 1938)
-Großkreuz des Königlich Spanischen Ordens für Verdienste zur See mit Weiß verliehen (21. 08. 1939)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse
-Kriegsabzeichen für die Marineartillerie
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 05 Jan 2019 00:52

Cartaphilus wrote:
05 Jan 2019 00:49
Fanger commanded the battleship Deutschland during Spanish Civil War. As a Kapitän zur See, he might be awarded with the 3nd class.
3rd or 2nd?
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Cartaphilus » 05 Jan 2019 01:05

Third class.

Grand Cross (4th class): Almirantes
3rd class: from Korvettenkapitän to Kapitän zur See
2nd class: from Leutnant zur See to Kapitänleutnant
1st class: for Unteroffiziere
Silver Cross: for Matrosen

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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 05 Jan 2019 01:26

Cartaphilus wrote:
05 Jan 2019 01:05
Third class.

Grand Cross (4th class): Almirantes
3rd class: from Korvettenkapitän to Kapitän zur See
2nd class: from Leutnant zur See to Kapitänleutnant
1st class: for Unteroffiziere
Silver Cross: for Matrosen
Ok, thank you.
You said the 3rd and 2nd Classes also had a Breast Star (smaller than the Grand Cross).
Do you have any photos of the Breast Stars for these 2 Classes?
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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Cartaphilus » 05 Jan 2019 01:50

3rd:

Image

2nd class is the same but silvered, not golden.

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Admiral Friedrich-Wilhelm Fleischer (1890-1952)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 05 Jan 2019 12:20

Admiral Friedrich-Wilhelm Fleischer (1890-1952)

-Deutsches Kreuz in Silber am 29.09.1944 als Admiral und Oberwerftdirektor der Kriegsmarinewerft Wilhelmshaven
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz
-Marineverwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz (1918)
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
-Wehrmacht-Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis I. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Medaille zur Erinnerung an die Heimkehr des Memellandes
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern
-Großkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Rumänien mit Schwertern und Band der Militärischen Tugend (14. 03. 1942)
-Königlich Rumänische Medaille für Maritime Tapferkeit III. Klasse Navigator (Bronze) (15. 08. 1942)
-Königlich Rumänischer Orden “Michael der Tapfere” III. Klasse (15. 01. 1943)
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