Oscar Dirlewanger & Bronislav Kaminski

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Oscar Dirlewanger & Bronislav Kaminski

Post by Dan E. Moe » 10 Jun 2003 20:39

Can anybody give me a complete list of decorations which these to men received?

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Post by Greyfinn » 10 Jun 2003 20:56

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Post by Dan E. Moe » 10 Jun 2003 21:16

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Post by CHRISCHA » 10 Jun 2003 21:39

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Post by Marcus » 10 Jun 2003 21:49

As posted earlier by AnDie (?)

Decorations recieved by Bronislav Kaminski
Iron Cross 1st Class (27 Jan 1944)
Iron Cross 2nd Class (27 Jan 1944)
Anti-Partisan Badge (31 July 1944)
Ostvolk Medal 1st Class (1944)
Ostvolk Medal 2nd Class (1944)
Wound Badge in Black

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Post by Dan E. Moe » 10 Jun 2003 22:08

Ostvolk and anti-partisan medals in bronse?
Anybody have pictures of him?
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Decorations

Post by Andreas Schulz » 10 Jun 2003 22:11

Decorations Dirlewanger:

05.05.1915 Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse
04.10.1915 Goldene Württembergische Tapferkeitsmedaille
30.04.1918 Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz
13.07.1918 Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse
00.00.1939 Spanienkreuz in Silber
24.05.1942 Spange zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
16.09.1942 Spange zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse
09.10.1942 Tapferkeitsauszeichnung für Ostvölker II. Klasse in Silber mit Schwertern
10.11.1942 Tapferkeitsauszeichnung für Ostvölker I. Klasse in Silber mit Schwertern
00.06.1943 Infanterie-Sturmabzeichen
09.07.1943 Verwundetenabzeichen in Gold
05.12.1943 Deutsches Kreuz in Gold
19.03.1944 Nahkampfspange 1. Stufe in Bronze
30.09.1944 Ritterkreuz
Winkel für alte Kämpfer
Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

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Post by Dan E. Moe » 10 Jun 2003 22:15

Picture of Spanienkreuz in silber?
What about the 1936-39 campaign medal, did he reicive that one? And the Ostmedaille?

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Post by Dan E. Moe » 10 Jun 2003 22:18

And picture of Goldene Wurttembergische tapferkeitsmedaille?

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Post by Kaiser » 11 Jun 2003 02:39

wasn't Dirlewanger's SS unit supposedly the absolute worst of the worst (prisoners, murders, ect)? or am I mixing him up with someone else? maybe he earned these medals before fighting with these guys?

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Post by WTW26 » 11 Jun 2003 09:26

Dirlewanger's unit WAS one of the worst, but Dirlewanger himself was a very brave man. Knight's Cross, German Cross, Close Combat badge, Wound Badge in Gold, Eastern People's medals and Assault badge were received by him as commander of the Sturmbrigade (eventually 36.SS-Division).
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Post by SS-Researcher » 11 Jun 2003 10:39

Dirlewanger might have been brave but he was a perverted, sick minded asshole IMO. AFAIK he was arrested for having sex with ~16 year old girl and that alone makes this guy a sick minded bastard in my opinion. He should have been hung instead of being given command over his bunch of criminals wearing SS-uniforms ;)

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Post by Tiger S04 » 11 Jun 2003 11:23

Florian wrote:Dirlewanger might have been brave but he was a perverted, sick minded asshole IMO. AFAIK he was arrested for having sex with ~16 year old girl and that alone makes this guy a sick minded bastard in my opinion. He should have been hung instead of being given command over his bunch of criminals wearing SS-uniforms ;)

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Absolitely spot on. Dirlewanger was a criminal, a friend of Gottlob Berger, and only a member of the Waffen-SS by default. Unfortunately, this allows him to be listed along with names like Wittmann, Barkmann, Meyer, Tychsen and Witt usw.

Were it not for Berger's intercession, I am certain that Himmler would have had this nasty old paedophile removed from the ranks. It is those personalities like Dirlewanger who give the anti-Waffen-SS lobby the ammunition to castigate the entire organisation.

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Post by WTW26 » 11 Jun 2003 12:39

People can be very controversial sometimes...

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Post by thomas » 11 Jun 2003 15:37

Dear Tiger S04

I think it is very dangerous to reduce all problems of the Waffen-SS on perosns like Dirlewanger. All men you mentioned knew what people like Dirlewanger did and they did not say no to this works. I think i know why, because otherwise the must have done the same work. And if you read some books of former Wehrmacht-Officer than you can read that the most of the bad thins did the Waffen-SS. If you read for example the homepage of the "Panzer-Meyer" than you can see that this "honest" man was until the end of his live sure to serve for the right thing.

Here an other example, the man is Ss-Gruppenführer und Generalleutnatn der Waffen-SS, commander of Panzer-Grenadier Division Totenkopf und das Reich:

A veteran of the pre-war concentration camp system, Max Simon's name became linked to war crimes as early as 1943. In November of that year, a Russian military tribunal sentenced him to death in absentia for his alleged role in the killing of 10,000 Russian civilians in the vicinity of Kharkov in the summer of 1943.
After the war, the British indicted Simon as a war criminal for his complicity in the September 1944 massacre of Italian civilians at Marzabotta (estimates ranged from 300 to over 2,000 dead) in reprisal for partisan activity. Following his interrogation in the United Kingdom, Simon returned to Italy where a British military tribunal sentenced him to death. The sentence however was later commuted, and Simon was released in 1954 from Werl prison in Germany.
In October 1955, a German court in Ansbach tried Simon for an incident that occurred in the German town of Brettheim on 7 April 1945. On that date, Simon ordered the courts martial and hanging of three citizens of the town who had disarmed some local Hitler Youth members to keep them from fighting U.S. troops. Twice acquitted of the charge (the court ruled he had been following a legal order), Simon died before the start of a third trial


An other thing i think about: When all Waffen-SS-Generals were very well and honest why they did not make career in Wehrmacht ??? Who did the killings of the civilians, not the jewish persons, in Russia ??? Where "did" Ordur-sur-Glâne, Le Paradis, Malmédy and a lot of other murdering of civilan people in France. I can say that in "Laignes" a very small village in France were some people killed by the, as you say, the honest Waffen-SS. This only a little story which did not have entrance in the history of the second World war. The most of the people speaks after the war cases like Oradur-sur-Glâne and other places did only a low officer. But for example Oradur-ur-Glâne was the man who gives the order Waffen-SS Obersturmbannführer. Two ranks lower than the first General-Rank. And men like Dieckmann were sdoldiers of the men you put on the same level as a Wehrmacht-Officier.



I will not say that everbody of the Waffen-SS was a "bad" person. But i know the the Panzer-Meyer was bulit up like a hero. He did not change his opinion of what he believed after the war.

Greetings

thomas

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