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oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by Georges JEROME » 26 Dec 2021 18:14

Hell0,

HPA provide infos on this Oberst for the year 1942

Frieden Dst WBK Litzmannstdt

T 77 950 12/1/42 Oberstleutnant Kdr Landes Schutz Bataillon 961 z. Kdt Kreiskommandantur 634 (mdWdG d KK°
T 77 951 27/4/42 Oberst mdWdG Kdt KK 634 z Kdt dieser KK
T 77 952 20/6/42 Oberst Kdt d KK 634 z. FK Chaumont mdWdG D Kdt dieser FK
T 77 754 12/9/42 mdWdG FK 563 (Chaumont) z Kdr dieser FK

on nov 42 staff FK 563 was transferred in South France with Armeegruppe Felber

Any add datas welcome (thanks )
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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by Georges JEROME » 27 Jun 2022 10:46

any add datas upon this Oberst Wolf (t 77 954) active officer. Could it be Oberst Julius Wolf
he was ranked Oberst between january 42 (see above) and april 42
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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by Rossano » 28 Jun 2022 12:37

I don´t think that it´s Julius because Julius was a Pi.Ob.(1.2.42) and as Fr.Tr.Teil he was Kdr. WBK. Cottbus, whilst "Your man" should be the Inf.Ob.(1.4.42), who as You wrote, as Fr.Tr.Teil he was in the WBK. Litzmannstadt.
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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by hero. » 20 Jul 2022 20:35

Hello !

Here is some additional info on Oberst Wolf :
From his index-card he was promoted to Oberst on 1.4.1942 (406).
He has the correct Friedens-Dienststelle (WBK Litzmannstadt) and also was appointed Kdt. of KK 634 on 27.4.1942.

What is surprising for me :
a) His index-card doesn't mention his transfer to FK 563 at all
The successor as Kdt. of FK 563 (Montpellier, I think) was perhaps Oberst Dernen,
but I do not know from when on. Perhaps someone knows ? (A forum search on this brought no results).

b) The card indicates a transfer of Oberst Wolf to FK 1009 on 15.8.1943 (= Leitkommandantur Verona).
(I have no information on Italy FKs.)
How does this match, with him beeing in command of FK 563 in September 1943 ?!

A possible successor with FK 1009 could be Gen.Lt. Hoegner. (From April/May, 1944 onward).

Last find of Ob. Wolf is as Kdt. Militärkommandantur 1005 (Turin), from 25.1.1945 onward.
What he did before that, I have no clue.

I don't know whether this is of any help, or only confuses matters ...

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(Edited, to correct some mistakes)
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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by Rossano » 21 Jul 2022 08:50

Strange that Wolf (in his K.Karte) was KK.634 until 15.8.43 (FR.), because Tessin reports that such KKdtr. was aufgelöst on 20.6.42.
Infact Wolf then became FK.563 on 20.6.42 until 15.8.43 (FR.).
Hoegner was not FK.1009 but LK Verona (from 1.5.44, so Tessin)
The Karte of FK.1005 is perfectly OK

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Post by Georges JEROME » 21 Jul 2022 17:06

after stab FK 563 was transfered from Chaumont to Montpellier, it changed into Hauptverbindungsstab 563 : first Kdt was Oberst Ernst Distler .
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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by hero. » 22 Jul 2022 11:39

Hello !

Many thanks for the additional explanations!

So, do I understand that correctly :
1.) The OK 634 was first in Bar-sur-Aube, later became KK 634 in Troyes and then was merged
with FK 533 (also Troyes) on 20.6.1942 ?
https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gl ... K634-R.htm

2.) At that same date Oberst Wolf, was first beauftragt mdWdG. as Kdt. of FK 563 and later,
on 12.9.42, was appointed Kdt. of FK 563 (Chaumont) ?
(On that occasion the report shown in post #2 was made).

FK 563 was then shifted from Chaumont to Avignon on 22.11.1942 and then again shifted
to Montpellier on 16.12.1942 and at that time redesignated Hauptverbindungsstab 563.
https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gl ... K563-R.htm

The sequence of Kommandanten FK 563 / HVStb 563 would then be :
Oberst Wolf
Oberst Distler
19./20.02.44 Oberst Dernen
(or someone missing ?).

Sorry, when I'm asking so many questions. I started to look at those personal cards only
very recently and I'm still in the process of finding out, how often information is missing, imprecise etc. ...
(e.g. transfer Ob. Wolf to FK 563 not mentioned at all).
It would be great if someone could give some insight on that.

For the same reason, I am not sure how to interpret the index card of Oberst Distler (see below).

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Post by Georges JEROME » 22 Jul 2022 13:49

1) 7/1940 Ortskommandantur 634 transfered to Mil.Verw.Bezirk C at Bar-sur-Aube (Aube). 10/9/1940 OK became Kreiskommandantur 634. 20/6/1942 KK 634 (Bar sur Aube) and KK 533 (Troyes) disbanded for the creation of FK 533 Troyes (Aube).
2) Wolf left KK Troyes to become new FK 563 Chaumont (Haute-Marne) (mdWdG FK then confirmed FK)
3) Kartei Distler confirmed date appointment FK 563 . Great !
= Wolf (and not Distler) could be the first Kdt HVS 563 (Montpellier) after transfer on dec. 1942 in South France (in spite don't appear in HPA T 77 956.)
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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by hero. » 22 Jul 2022 14:43

Hello Georges Jerome !

Many thanks for these additional explanations.
Very much appreciated !

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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by Georges JEROME » 22 Jul 2022 16:46

So do I thank you hero for your great contribution.

A clue for first name ?
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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by Rudolf44 » 22 Jul 2022 18:31

Hello,
Georges JEROME wrote:
22 Jul 2022 16:46
A clue for first name ?
According to Invenio under reference RH 7/331

Wolf, Friedrich-Gerhard

Bestandsbezeichnung : OKH / Heerespersonalamt
Geburtsdatum : 13.8.1887
Geburtsort : Rastenburg
Amtsbezeichnung/Dienstgrad : Oberst
Dienststelle
Militärkommandantur 1004 Padua
Enthält : Verleihungsvorschläge mit Begründung
Enthält auch : Verleihungsvorschlag für Ritterkreuz für Förster Friedrich, geb. 2.2.02

He has a personal file under reference PERS 6/7500

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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by hero. » 22 Jul 2022 19:56

Hello !

@Georges Jerome :
No I wouldn't have had any first name for Ob. Wolf, sorry.

@Rudolf44 :
Great find :thumbsup: ! I am sure you not only found a first name but also a further position of Oberst Wolf.
(Please, have a look at the index card for Militärkommandantur 1004, I totally overlooked that).
So it might be possible that he was replaced at MK 1004 by Generalmajor Vichytil on 25.1.45 ?

So, Ob. Wolf's sequence of later commands would be possibly:
FK 563 (perhaps until 15.8.43)
then to the newly formed FK/MK 1009 and sent to Italy (not mentioned on the FK 1009 card at all)
From MK 1009 (Verona) transferred to MK 1004 (Padua) around April 1944 ?!
Transfered from MK 1004 to 1005 on 25.1.1945 (last known position I would think).

I would just like to highlight two points :
- All the many changes in his commands after August 1943 are not listed on Wolfs index card at all!
(Why is that so ? Many of those personal index cards show changes in position until March/April 1945)

- Also the index cards, listing the Kommandanten of the Militärkommandanturen seem to be rather incomplete:
Only very few list a Kommandant from August 1943 onward (when the whole bunch of these were raised for Italy).
Most of them start roughly in spring 1944. How is that to explain ?

At least for me this situation is very confusing :? , I hope you can understand that ...

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Re: oberst wolf Feldkommandant Chaumont

Post by Georges JEROME » 22 Jul 2022 20:28

Thank you Rudolf.
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