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Post by USAF1986 » 22 Mar 2004, 02:25

Another member of the Johanniter Order per the 1926 Rangliste des Deutschen Reichsheeres:

Generalleutnant Kurt von Schleicher: Knight of Justice.

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 09 Apr 2004, 12:04

What is about later SS-Gruppenführer and Generalleutnant der Polizei Otto von Oelhafen ??
In the pic (posted by Philmil) standing at right in a bavarian police-uniform with spiked helmet.

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 09 Apr 2004, 12:08

Spot on friend Oberstab!

You are right ... Knight´s of Honor Cross of the Johanniter Orden (with the breast attachment). That means he must have been of evangelical nobility.

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Post by Elwyn W » 16 May 2004, 00:28

Is this Witzleben?

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Post by USAF1986 » 16 May 2004, 01:29

Superb shot of Walther von Brauchitsch! A member of the Johanniter Order just like his older brother Charakter als Generalmajor Adolf von Brauchitsch! Of interest, Walther is not listed as member of the order in the 1926 Rangliste des Deutschen Reichsheeres...either a misprint or he joined after the fact.

Here’s a photo of Walther von B. taken sometime after the previously posted photo. Note the same lineup of his medals:

• Prussian Iron Cross, 2nd Class (1914)
• Prussian Royal Hohenzollern House Order, Knight’s Cross with Swords
• Württemberg Friedrich Order, Knight 1st Class with Swords
• Saxe-Meiningen Cross for Merit in War
• Cross of Honor for Combatants 1914-1918
• Armed Forces Long Service Award, 1st Class
• Armed Forces Long Service Award, 3rd Class

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Post by Elwyn W » 21 May 2004, 13:54

Can someone enlighten me as to who this was?

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 21 May 2004, 14:42

Freiherr von Neu York!

Nice finding ... it´s Gen. d. Inf. Max von Schenckendorff, the then Cdr. 8. (Prussian) Infantry-Regiment.

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Post by Michael Miller » 21 May 2004, 22:41

SS-Gruppenführer Paul Moder was a recipient- photo of him wearing the award appears in Angolia's Cloth Insignia of the SS.

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Post by USAF1986 » 21 May 2004, 23:27

Mike,

Good catch! Any idea if Moder was an Ehrenritter or Rechtsritter of the order? Strange he was not at least a "von" as evangelical nobilitity was a requirement for admission into the order.

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 22 May 2004, 15:51

Freiherr:
Thanks for discovering the membership of Walter von Brauchitsch. A great biographical milestone.

Mike & Shawn:
The "Moder matter" seems to be a little bit strange, doesn´t it? Can anybody offer that pic maybe?

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Post by Elwyn W » 22 May 2004, 17:04

Herr Oberst Stauffenberg,

Thanks for identifying von Schenckendorff. That's what Hans had on his website.

How was Adolf and Ewald von Kleist related?

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 22 May 2004, 17:46

Hi!

If related ... not very close. I can offer the following:

16th Generation: Julius von Kleist
17th Generation: Dr. Christoph Albrecht August Hugo von Kleist (1848-1923) (4th son)
18th Generation: GFM Ewald von Kleist (one and only son)

16th Generation: Hugo Ewald von Kleist
17th Generation: Generalleutnant Paul von Kleist (1846-1926) (one and only son)
18th Generation: Generalleutnant Adolf von Kleist (2nd son)

See:
http://www.v-kleist.com/Soldaten/generale.htm

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Post by USAF1986 » 22 May 2004, 19:16

I wonder if Moder served in the Baltic fighting of 1919. If so, a possible explanation might be the Johanniter Order breast badge “look alike” described below.

Here is World War I fighter pilot Leutnant August Raben in Russian staff uniform as a member of the Kommandeur der Flieger of Colonel Prince Pavel Mikhailovitch Avalov-Bermondt’s Russian Army of the West during the 1919 fighting in the Baltic. Note the Maltese cross below his ribbons: the German-Russian Army of the West Volunteer Avalov Cross. Here’s a photo of Colonel Prince Avalov-Bermondt also wearing the badge.

Truthfully, I don't know if any former German members of the Russian Army of the West continued to wear the volunteer cross after the campaign, even if unofficially.

Of interest, Raben is displaying the Russian Order of St. Stanislaus 2nd Class (without Swords) at his neck. On his breast, he displays the following: the Prussian Iron Cross 1st Class, the Baltic Cross, the German Army Pilot’s Badge, and Wound Badge in Silver. He was also a recipient of the Knight’s Cross with Swords of the Royal Hohenzollern House Order.

Raben was credited with four aerial victories while flying with Jasta 39 and Jasta 18 during World War I.

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SOURCES:
• Jurado, Carlos Caballero & Bujeiro, Ramiro (illustrator). Osprey Elite 76: The German Freikorps, 1918-23. Osprey Publishing Ltd., Oxford, United Kingdom, 2001.
• O’Connor, Neal W. Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in World War I and the Men Who Earned Them – Volume V: Aviation Awards of the Eight Thuringian States and the Duchy of Anhalt. Foundation of Aviation World War I, Princeton, New Jersey & Flying Machines Press, Stratford, Connecticut, 1998.
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Post by Elwyn W » 05 Jun 2004, 17:04

The same big three --- but a worse quality shot

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 12 Jun 2004, 18:22

Ladies and gentlemen!

I think we have a further recipient. It´s Gen. Lt. Friedrich Freiherr von Wilmowsky, per photographic evidence.

VJK ... thank you very much for the pic courtesy!

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