Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 18 Dec 2003 08:39

freiherr wrote:Hi Oberstab,

Officer shaking hands with Hess very much looked like Fritz Stegeler. And the officer on the extreme left was Walther. Would you have pictures of Otto Scheunemann, EL 202, or von Gravenreuth, EL 692?

Cheers
Freiherr

Hallo Freiherr,
sorry I have no pictures. Please, pay attention. The name is "Fritz Steger", not "Stegeler".
Cheers
Oberstab

Denis · Post by **Denis** » 18 Dec 2003 09:08

Hi Freiherr
HEre is a photo of WALTER Scheunemann (EL 202). I have the feeling there is a mismatch with OTTO Schünemann (OL 339).
Regards
Denis

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 19 Dec 2003 00:24

Hi Oberstab and Denis,

Thanks for pointing out all the typos! Alcohol and German don't mix. And thank you Denis for Walter Scheunemann. Much appreciated.

Found a picture of Freiherr von Gravenreuth (look at those ears!!) I am not that convinced he was the man next to Steger. But whoever he was, he probably was not Helmut Ringler either. Ringler participated at Eban Emael so if it were him in the pic ( the luftwaffe officer looked like he had the RK ) he would at least have the fallschimschutzenabzeichen or be more decorated.
The guy on the extreme right was not Franz Berger.

Cheers
Freiherr

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 19 Dec 2003 00:41

Hello all,

Who's the general and the RKT (Third guy from right )?

Cheers
Freiherr

Daniel L · Post by **Daniel L** » 19 Dec 2003 00:54

Should we perhaps assume that the officers are from Panzer Lehr?

Best regards/ Daniel

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 19 Dec 2003 02:06

Hi Daniel,

Not likely, as the guy shaking hands with the general had a cuff title (so GD? Unfortunately nobody else's cuff was showing!! The guy shaking hands and the RKT both had lettering on their should boards suggesting GD ) With the exception of the second NCO from the left, they all had the Allgemaines Sturmabzeichen. Looks more like a bunch of sturmgeschutze guys than a late war Lehr get-together.

There is zero info regarding this pic. It's from "Orders, Decorations, Medals and Badges of the Third Reich" by Littlejohn and Dodkins.

Cheers
Freiherr

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 19 Dec 2003 05:59

Thanks to Denis, he reminded me of the mystery general who was at the RK award ceremony of Kurt Kirchner of StugAbt 667.

Generals who looked familiar are, from left to right, Ulrich Liss; Paul Haehling von Lanzenauer and Boeckh Behrens.

Cheers

Freiherr

Denis · Post by **Denis** » 19 Dec 2003 07:46

Hello
The General shaking hands with GD soldiers is Gen.Obst. Friedrich Fromm who was later involved in the "20. Juli" plot.
As for the unknown RKT who doesn't dare to look at us, I don't know for the moment.
Regards
Denis

Denis · Post by **Denis** » 19 Dec 2003 08:01

Hi again,
I have looked for the unknown KC holder. I f we assume that the following points are true :
- he was awarded the RK as a member of the Pz. Gre. Div. "GD"
- he was awarded the RK before 20/07/44
- he was not posthumously awarded the KC
- his rank when he was awarded the KC was inferior or equal to Obefeldwebel/Oberwachtmeister

Then we have a short list of 5 recipients :
- Hans Hindelang
- Wilhelm Kessel
- Hans Klem
- Leopold Poschusta
- Wilhelm Wegner

I have only photos from Hindelang, Kessel and Klem and among those ones, Kessel is the soldier who is the closest with the unID'd RKT. Should anybody have a pic for Poschusta and Wegner, feel free to post it !
Regards
Denis

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 19 Dec 2003 14:41

Oops, forgot to post the general awarding the RK to Kirchner. And, as always, Denis, thank you for your help.

Cheers
Freiherr

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 19 Dec 2003 14:55

Not the best picture in the world but it does look like Kessel

Cheers
Freiherr

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 19 Dec 2003 15:01

Here's Wilhelm Wegner

Cheers
Freiherr

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 22 Dec 2003 08:05

Hi,

Could anyone identify these?

In a.jpeg, at the minimum the two guys that were not in summer uniform had RK's.

In b.jpeg, its GFM Busch and an EL winner. He looked a little like Friedirch Lier.

c.jpeg was supposed to be in Russia. Nobody could identify anything from this pic which I took from wehrmacht-awards.com

Cheers
Freiherr

Denis · Post by **Denis** » 22 Dec 2003 08:22

Hello Freiherr
As far as I can see, on c.jpg, this GFM Model with the monocle
Regards
Denis

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 22 Dec 2003 23:27

freiherr wrote:Hi,

Could anyone identify these?

In a.jpeg, at the minimum the two guys that were not in summer uniform had RK's.

In b.jpeg, its GFM Busch and an EL winner. He looked a little like Friedirch Lier.

c.jpeg was supposed to be in Russia. Nobody could identify anything from this pic which I took from wehrmacht-awards.com

Cheers
Freiherr

Hallo helper Freiherr,
second pic, the great at left: GFM Ernst Busch,
Chers Oberstab