Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Post by Tolga Alkan » 12 Jan 2006 10:40

Could anybody help me to identify this person on the picture?
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 12 Jan 2006 10:46

freiherr wrote:It's Karl Gümbel, the next guy down. Rommel, Gümbel, Fischer v Weikenstahl, Seyffardt.
Freiherr
Rommel on 06.06.1944: "Wie dumm von mir"; indeed, me too !! Dear Freiherr, I have the same pic, but evidently I was already sleeping :P
Very amusing and successful, let' s go on :P
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Post by harmel » 12 Jan 2006 13:35

Here is another pic of Postel from a
different position too compare,I can see
what Gareth means there is a likeness from
the nose?
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Source-Die Eichenlaubtrager 1940-1945
by E Lenfeld and F Thomas
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Post by Tim_DC » 13 Jan 2006 10:43

Another unknown Ritterkreuztrager, this is a Major. I think those are StuG men on the back, so that could be a clue (StuG units, late-war photo, ...)
Any ideas?
Georg Scholze / AHF id
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Post by Elwyn W » 13 Jan 2006 12:09

Tim,

I can just about see a pip on the shoulder board. If so perhaps Georg Scholze?

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Post by Tim_DC » 13 Jan 2006 12:29

Hello Freiherr,
I have taken a closer look to the shoulder board and I think you are right, he is an Oberst.
I don't have many photos of Scholze to compare with, but I think you're right on this identification.
His profile fits perfectly with the picture.
Can someone confirm?
Thanks!
Tim

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Post by FANGIO » 13 Jan 2006 18:49

Hi!
I think it's Scholze indeed:
http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_sea ... rd=Scholze

Hope I'm right this time, I'm not so good identifying some officers.

Best,

FANGIO

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 14 Jan 2006 11:55

Unknown KC-holders from the Biblio-collection

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 14 Jan 2006 13:52

Next section

DZ
KG 53 "Legion Condor" award ceremony on 29.02.1944 :
Major Karl Rauer and Oberleutnant Kurt Unruh / AHF id
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 14 Jan 2006 13:57

Third section
(Biblio 8 with Generaloberst Alfred Keller ??)

DZ
Biblio 9 - KG 53 group pic :
this should be a RK Verleihung from members of the KG 53

From left to right (only KC holders)
- the Ofw should be Karl Christmann (to be confirmed since I don't have any pic for him)
- the tall officer : Heinz Gutmann
- the officer whose the face is partially hidden by his visor cap : Heinz Zöllner (to be confirmed since I don't have any pic for him)
- the next one : Ernst-Ascan Gobert
- the following one : Johann Dreher (to confirm)
- then a Major (already RKT) : maybe Karl Rauer (ie The Gruppenkommandeur of the I/KG 53)
The picture would have been taken at the beginning of April, 1944 in Germany.
I have this pic of Zöllner (Source: balsi.de) and even though he's not looking at the camera I think that the man you've identified as Johann Dreher could be Zöllner, what do you think? Who could be the man you identified as Zöllner then? (if I`m right of course).
Regarding Zöllner and Dreher, thanks for the pic. The more I see both, the more I get confused !! I could have made a mismatch and this might be Christmann, Guttmann, Dreher, Gobert and Zöllner. I am rather comfortable with ID of Gobert and Guttmann though.

@ Dieter : it would be interesing to have a bettert scan from colar patches or shoulder straps from the third (from the left side) and the fifth (idem) newly RKT.

Dreher was awarded the RK as Oblt while Zöllner was Hptm.
I will definitely go with your original indetification.

ObFwb Karl Christmann ... most likely
Heinz Gutmann
Heinz Zoeller .... most likely
Ernst Ascan Gobert
Johann Dreher....Scherzer and Kai Winkler have the same pic. It's a match.
Karl Rauer
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 14 Jan 2006 14:02

Last section
(persons doubtfully identified in Biblio 10: fritz Henke, Bruno Bogert, Rudolf Bayer, Ruprecht Kral, Theodor Hotzy, Willi Schaffner, Otto Reichold, Siegfried Amerkamp, Adol Stück, Heinrich Kaup, Heinrich Schneider, Alois Lehrkinder, ...)
1. Fritz Henke (perhaps, blocked)
2. Bruno Bogert
3. Anton Bayer
4. Ruprecht Kral
5. Theodor Hotzy
6. Willi Schaffner (perhaps, blocked)
7. Otto Reichold
8. Siegfried Amerkamp (perhaps, blocked)
9. Adolf Stück
10. Heinrich Kaup
11. Not mentioned and blocked
12. Heinrich Schneider
13. Alois Lehrkinder
/ from left to right / AHF id
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Post by Vienna » 14 Jan 2006 14:19

Hi!

Biblio11

Maybe Clemens BETZEL (as GM, EK II-clasp?)

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Post by Miha Grcar » 14 Jan 2006 14:59

Hi Dieter,

Biblio 4, 5, 6 are the same ceremony right?

I think that those two men on Biblio 4 (and others) are:
Major Karl Rauer - Kommandeur I./KG 53 "Legion Condor" and
Oberleutnant Kurt Unruh - Flugzeugführer 2./KG 53 "Legion Condor"

both were awarded the RK on 29.2.1944.

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Post by Elwyn W » 14 Jan 2006 15:54

Hi Miha,

You are absolutely right. There was a pic form the erstwhile Doc Köhler depicting just that!! In Biblio 4, could it be GenLt Hans Seidemann, with glasses, awarding the RK's?

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Post by Elwyn W » 14 Jan 2006 16:08

Hi Dieter,

Biblio 12 is Mj Konrad Zeller, Kmdr I/GrRgt 380, receiving the RK from GenLt Bruno Frankewitz, Kmdr 215 Div, on 05.01.44. Frankewitz went on to win both RK and EL. Zeller also won EL later.

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Freiherr

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