Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Post by FANGIO » 18 Jan 2006 18:09

Hi Denis!
Do you mean this F-W Müller?:
http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_sea ... ord=müller
The man in Freiherr's pic has no hair at all.

Another question for Denis:
In Biblio_9 you identified these men:
- Ofw Karl Christmann (to be confirmed)
- the tall officer : Heinz Gutmann
- the officer whose the face is partially hidden by his visor cap : Heinz Zöllner (to be confirmed)
- Ernst-Ascan Gobert
- Johann Dreher (to confirm)
- Major (already RKT) : maybe Karl Rauer

I have this pic of Zöllner (Source: balsi.de) and even though he's not looking at the camera I think that the man you've identified as Johann Dreher could be Zöllner, what do you think? Who could be the man you identified as Zöllner then? (if I`m right of course).

Last one:
I have to agree with Freiherr on Biblio_11, it`s Thomaschki. I've seen a few pics of Betzel and he is always wearing the "General Assault Badge".

Any help is appreciated.

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FANGIO
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Post by bake » 18 Jan 2006 21:38

Hi

Pic posted by Tolga Alkan.

Answer: Gefreiter Willibald Unfried RK 04.03.1942
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Post by Denis » 19 Jan 2006 09:48

FANGIO wrote:Hi Denis!
Do you mean this F-W Müller?:
http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_sea ... ord=müller
The man in Freiherr's pic has no hair at all.

Another question for Denis:
In Biblio_9 you identified these men:
- Ofw Karl Christmann (to be confirmed)
- the tall officer : Heinz Gutmann
- the officer whose the face is partially hidden by his visor cap : Heinz Zöllner (to be confirmed)
- Ernst-Ascan Gobert
- Johann Dreher (to confirm)
- Major (already RKT) : maybe Karl Rauer

I have this pic of Zöllner (Source: balsi.de) and even though he's not looking at the camera I think that the man you've identified as Johann Dreher could be Zöllner, what do you think? Who could be the man you identified as Zöllner then? (if I`m right of course).

Last one:
I have to agree with Freiherr on Biblio_11, it`s Thomaschki. I've seen a few pics of Betzel and he is always wearing the "General Assault Badge".

Any help is appreciated.

Best,

FANGIO

Hello Fangio
I wasn't talking about FW Müller but FW Jürgen !! You need a rest, stop looking at RKT !! However, I agree both wear the same first name :P :lol:

Regarding Zöllner and Dreher, thanks for the pic. The more I see both, the more I get confused !! I could have made a mismatch and this might be Christmann, Guttmann, Dreher, Gobert and Zöllner. I am rather comfortable with ID of Gobert and Guttmann though.

@ Dieter : it would be interesing to have a bettert scan from colar patches or shoulder straps from the third (from the left side) and the fifth (idem) newly RKT.

Dreher was awarded the RK as Oblt while Zöllner was Hptm.

Best Regards
Denis

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Post by Elwyn W » 19 Jan 2006 12:51

Denis,

I will definitely go with your original indetification.

ObFwb Karl Christmann ... most likely
Heinz Gutmann
Heinz Zoeller .... most likely
Ernst Ascan Gobert
Johann Dreher....Scherzer and Kai Winkler have the same pic. It's a match.
Karl Rauer

Fangio pic's I first thought was Trautloft but as someone pointed out in this forum, Trautloft was a very stapping man. I have seen this man being identified as Gerhard Stüdemann of StukaG77 and I think that is right.

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Post by FANGIO » 19 Jan 2006 20:41

Denis wrote: wasn't talking about FW Müller but FW Jürgen !! You need a rest, stop looking at RKT !! However, I agree both wear the same first name
Oh my God! I need a doctor right now. :roll: Glasses please!!! :lol: I'll pic up the phone right now and call an ophthalmologist.
To stop looking at RKT? no way my friend, I can't stop it now! :lol:
At least we agree with the first name.
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FANGIO

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Post by Daniel L » 20 Jan 2006 01:12

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From Militariaweb. Who are these?

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top left : Erich Klawe , OL ; top right : Ernst Michael , IR 2
bottom left : Egon von der Marwitz ; bottom right : Wilhelm Kern
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Post by harmel » 20 Jan 2006 01:40

Hi Daniel the oaks holder is Obstlt Erich Klawe
Top left
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Post by Elwyn W » 20 Jan 2006 14:17

Upper right is eventutally GenMj Ernst Michael.

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Post by Ingo » 20 Jan 2006 17:20

Hello Daniel,

below on the left is Egon von der Marwitz.

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Post by Daniel L » 20 Jan 2006 17:24

Thanks guys! :-)

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Post by Daniel L » 22 Jan 2006 20:41

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From Ebay. Who is this Knight's cross holder?

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Post by Elwyn W » 23 Jan 2006 02:43

Hans Christern, Kmdr 35 PzRgt, 4 Pz. The bear emblem has since been re-confirmed as that of 35 PzRgt and not of 3 Pz Div's Berlin Bear.

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Post by Daniel L » 23 Jan 2006 03:03

Thank you Freiherr!

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Post by VJK » 02 Feb 2006 20:36

Hi!

Can anyone put a name to this RKT and DKiG holder please?

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Post by Elwyn W » 03 Feb 2006 00:15

Hi VJK

Do I see the upper part of the War Merit Cross 1st Class of the Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg Schwerin?

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