Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Post by Josef Bremm » 23 Mar 2007 20:52

Thank you John!

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Post by bake » 24 Mar 2007 19:11

I.D. please
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Post by Mark V. » 24 Mar 2007 19:48

Hi bake,

Heinrici and Köster.

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Post by VJK » 24 Mar 2007 19:56

Hi Mark!

I think you mean Henrici.

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Post by Mark V. » 24 Mar 2007 20:05

Of course :oops: . Thanks for the correction.

Here's another pic of Köster.
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Post by bake » 24 Mar 2007 23:51

Thank's Mark V.

Very fast reply :)

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Post by Phil Nix » 25 Mar 2007 10:23

A pic labeled Jagdgruppe 50 in Wiesbaden from Martin Middlebrook's book on the Schweinfurt/Regensburg Raid. Who is the RK holder
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Post by Elwyn W » 25 Mar 2007 22:27

Source: Detlev Niemann.

This was for sale, Oberst RKT on 06.04.1945, DKiG, Silver wound badge.

There were no award of Heer RK on 06.04.45. And the "6"s on the shoulder boards are a bit of a puzzle to me. However, the signature looks like GenLt "Reichert". A guess would be Obst Enno Erich v Limburg-Hetlingen, Kmdr, GrRgt 731, RK 03.05.45, DKiG.
Enno-Erich von Limburg-Hetlingen , unofficial RKT / AHF id
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Post by Bernd R » 26 Mar 2007 13:19

think, you are absolutely right, Freiherr !

quotation of my 711. ID list from "awardholders/unit" thread
711. Infanterie – Division
(formed may 1941 ; occupation duty at the Channel Coast/15. Armee ; action : Normandie, june/july 1944 ;
refitted sept-dec 1944 in the Netherlands ; since dec 1944 : Ungary)

total : 4 KC / including 1 unofficial

Stab :

1. Reichert, Josef 09.12.1944 Generalleutnant Kdr 711. Inf.Div

Grenadier – Regiment 731 :

2. Ließmann, Helmut 03.11.1944 Hauptmann d.R. Führer III./Gren.Rgt 731
3. Limburg-Hetlingen von, Enno-Erich 03.05.1945 Oberst Kdr Gren.Rgt 731

Grenadier – Regiment 744 :

4. Post, Eduard 28.02.1945 Hauptmann d.R. Kdr III./Gren.Rgt 744
and very interesting, this case and now this Ritterkreuz entry !!

in short : Veit Scherzer is referring of absolutely no hints on a KC proposal nor a confirmation of an award.

concerning the "6" : according Scherzer (page 130, end of text, additional info) von Limburg-Hetlingen in 1939 was Bataillons-Kommandeur im IR 6 !

so, as Kdr Gren.Rgt 731, was he wearing the "6" of his old Rgt in memory ?
possible, though don't think so.

as a fromer collector of shoulder boards, I can tell you, you can find "mixed" shoulder boards, resp. devices/numbers on the market, some of them you will recognize the numbers are added at a later date and doesn't fit with the board. Sometimes it is impossible to say, if this board was originally worn like it looks today.

So, to me it is imaginable that there were Oberst shoulder boards available and a pair of "6" and the family or someone else did put them together (?)

Bernd

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Post by harmel » 26 Mar 2007 13:38

Nice find Elwyn,thanks to Bernd as well
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Post by FMModel » 26 Mar 2007 14:31

Bernd,

Is it also possible that the Oberst kept the old number 6 and boards as a momento, then purchased/obtained another set for his new assignment?

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Post by Bernd R » 26 Mar 2007 18:08

You are right, Mark, possible
might be an over interpretation I was going through ; reason is my impression that one "6" is darker ("Grünspan") than the other ; therefore the conclusion that they could be different ones.
And - he must have been Oberst while assigned to (then) Grenadier-Regiment 6 (?)

Alex, you know ? Someone has the assignments of von Limburg-Hetlingen ?

The issue of the KC award itself it the other challenge here :roll:

Bernd

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Post by Phil Nix » 27 Mar 2007 10:14

Who are these two Luftwaffe RK holders
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Post by Elwyn W » 27 Mar 2007 11:47

Thank you very much, Bernd. It is more intriguing than that.

What a complete serendipity!! While looking into v Tippelskirch in Miocid's suggestion in my "Heinrici Entourage" thread, I noticed that Josef Reichert himself was Kmdr of IR6 of 30 Inf Div. I have a lousy picture of the two together. You would think Reichert would just let v Limburg-Hetlingen wear the "6" as they were the "IR 6 mafia" in 711 Div. :P :D

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Post by Bernd R » 27 Mar 2007 13:21

Phil,
left is Oberleutnant Egon Mayer , J.G. 2 "Richthofen"

Freiherr,
according lexikon-der-wehrmacht and ABR : Oberst Reichert Kdr IR 6 : 24.11.1938 - 17.09.1941

aha, "6" boys united here, yes :)

so, it is no judging about the case, but : if v. Limburg-Hetlingen was awarded the KC "unofficially", is it on proposal by General Kreysing in april 1945 (family has a copy of a certificate of Kreysing stating that) or is it "13. Verleihung durch General der Gebirgstruppe Konrad im Auftrag der HGr Süd" [Fellgiebel] it would be an understandable procedere to make the Soldbuch entry and the signing by Reichert.. :?

regards, Bernd

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