Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 15 Sep 2008 13:32

Hi Matt,

what we are trying to do here since July is said here on page 19

You might have missed that ; the posting by Bergmolch was a reply to a question by Shawn (the post before).

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 17 Sep 2008 15:34

Martin Rieder, provided by Bergmolch with Geb.Jäg.Btl. 100 (per Soldbuch) I had incorrectly listed -> Geb.Jäg.Rgt. 100 / 5. Geb.Div.
I've corrected that mistake as it is Res.Geb.Jäg.Btl. 100 / 157. Geb.Div. (former 157. Res.Div.).

Transferred to France with the reserve troops of 157. Res.Div. this battalion was used to form I./GJR 296 in Sep/Oct 1944, but apparently was renamed later [in Jan 45 first per Tessin]. As we see, the old stamp was used at least.

With Rieder and Lizius there are now two of that division with award date 15.12.1944 . There should be more I presume.

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bergmolch » 17 Sep 2008 15:58

Bernd R wrote:Martin Rieder, provided by Bergmolch with Geb.Jäg.Btl. 100 (per Soldbuch) I had incorrectly listed -> Geb.Jäg.Rgt. 100 / 5. Geb.Div.
I've corrected that mistake as it is Res.Geb.Jäg.Btl. 100 / 157. Geb.Div. (former 157. Res.Div.).

Transferred to France with the reserve troops of 157. Res.Div. this battalion was used to form I./GJR 296 in Sep/Oct 1944, but apparently was renamed later [in Jan 45 first per Tessin]. As we see, the old stamp was used at least.

With Rieder and Lizius there are now two of that division with award date 15.12.1944 . There should be more I presume.

Bernd
You are probably correct.
Good work!
This one I couldn't extract the name...is on sale at Weitze.
105400 € 1.200,00

Deutsche Polizei - Soldbuch und zugleich Personalausweis für einen Oberwachtmeister d.Gend.d.Res. , ausgestellt am 29.5.1943 in Bad Homburg, mit Uniformfoto, zuständige Einsatzpolizeieinheiten : Kommandantur der Gendarmerie Bialystok und hier bei einer Jagdkompanie und später einem Jagd-Batl.; Auszeichnungen : EK II, Bandenkampfabzeichen in Silber; diese eingeklebte Seite ist auf Seite 22 beglaubigt; Wehrsold noch bis Juli 1945 erhalten.

Maybe somebody is willing to contact them and ask details: I did it but no answer.
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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 19 Sep 2008 13:00

Bergmolch wrote:
Bernd R wrote:Another double entry, resp. result of gathering all what's inside here
SS-Oscha. ? Wittmann (1. Kmp./I. Btl./Waffen-Gren. Rgt. d.SS 30) - APB
SS-Unterscharführer Wittmann Alfred SS-Jg.Btl 502 - 14(MG) LAH BKAs 01.05.45 24/03/1922
pic and more by Martin Mansson
Oberscharführer pips retouched ? started with "LAH" and ended with SS-Jäger-Bataillon 502 (?)

Bernd
[...]on 25\3\44 we have a doc named as 10\SS-Jg.Rgt. (who the hell are them?) and signed by a Generalmajor u.Kdr. 87 J.D., on 19\5\44 a document named as 3.\SS-Jag.Rgt.501 (FP 25367?)[...]
RE : the Oschaf. Wittmann case
Tom,
my attempt to find some clarification for this turned out to get into a "Weites Feld" as we say in german, a subject of wide range. Just in short, I tend to say I'm near to understand it with some unclear details.
With regard to the material we are facing I tend to say (but I'm open to any correction)
1) a SS-Jäg.Rgt. 501 (or 500, or 502 later) never existed ; that were Btls. only
2) the signing by GM u. Kdr. 87. ID is irritating, but let's keep this away for a moment ; the "10./SS-Jg.Rgt." and this really seems to be the hell of a key point, after all I got now, should be a naming and/or designation for
SS-Jäger-Regiment Pannier or SS-Jäger-Regiment Bobruisk or similar
it basically should be 10. Kp of III. Btl. of SS-Feldrekruten-Depot Bobruisk / der SS-Nachschub-Kommandantur Rußland-Mitte. (which was redesignated SS-Jg.Btl. 501 later).
So, it was addressed as part of this Regiment by the doc-signing higher headquarter.
And this all should be located in the rear area of AOK 9 / HGr. Mitte ; speaking of anti-partisan actions in White Russia ("Bandenrepublik" etc.).

In another context I had a request about Sturmbannführer Beyerlein / I./SS-Jg.Btl. (later 501?).
For an overview about the units in question and a background about all the above there are active now two threads over in the SS & Polizei forum :
Need all available info on Sturmbannführer Heinrich Beyerlein
Standartenführer Rudolf Pannier
Let's see what comes out there and if it results in more clarification by the colleagues over there.

One more spot on Richard Landwehr's Siegrunen Magazine No. 46
http://www.tmhbs.com/topic_siegrunen_P1.asp
speaking of SS-Sturmjäger-Regiment "Bobruisk/Pannier" !
would be very fine if someone has access to this.

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by T.K. » 22 Sep 2008 22:23

Hello,

Von Gottberg BKA details
http://www.detlev-niemann.de/de/catalog/135/0/6054.html

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 23 Sep 2008 12:29

Thanks T.K. !

data set edited and ready now (also for those without Niemann account). Kgr. von Gottberg added by me. General der W-SS not written on the Besitzzeugnis.
Gottberg, Curt von, 15.07.1944, SS-Obergruppenführer u. General d. W-SS u. Polizei, HSSPF Rußland-Mitte und Weißruthenien [Fhr. Kgr. von Gottberg] - BKAs
[source : Besitzzeugnis, signed by Himmler , Soldbuch ; estate on sale by Niemann, Sep 08 ]
since Friday (?), not sold for only 25.000 € / 35.000 $ ? :)
btw, his first name was Curt really (Soldbuch entry, too), his signature there is Kurt. Is there anything he didn't like the soft C and his choice from some time on was the hard K ?

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by T.K. » 23 Sep 2008 12:33

Hello Bernd,

IMO Kurt sounds more "german" than Curt.
Curt looks a bit "yankee" to me like Curtis, if you know what I mean.
Not meant to offend, of course.

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 23 Sep 2008 12:59

That was the background of my question. Looking for a more serious and maybe referenced explanation of course. :)

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 23 Sep 2008 13:13

Tom,

re: the OWm d.Gend. above (Weitze), I'm too bad in deciphering this, couldn't make out more on the site. Anyone with an idea ?

so far unknown
04.01.1945, Oberwachtmeister d. Gendarmerie d.R., Jagd-Kp/Jagd-Btl / Kommandantur der Gendarmerie Bialystok - BKAs [Soldbuch]

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by T.K. » 27 Sep 2008 23:21

Hello,

Looks like the Dirlewanger BKA guys paid the highest tribute due theirs anti-partisan duty.

Nachname: Stöweno
Vorname: Rudolf
Dienstgrad: Hauptsturmführer
Geburtsdatum: 11.04.1901
Geburtsort: Wollstein
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 15.11.1943
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Dünaburg
Rudolf Stöweno ruht auf der vom Volksbund hergerichteten Kriegsgräberstätte in Daugavpils (Lettland) .

Nachname: Schreiner
Vorname: Max
Dienstgrad: Untersturmführer
Geburtsdatum: 21.06.1899
Geburtsort: Esslingen
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 06.09.1944
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Warschau
Max Schreiner konnte im Rahmen unserer Umbettungsarbeiten nicht geborgen werden.
Die vorgesehene Überführung zum Sammelfriedhof in Warszawa-Nord (Polen) war somit leider nicht möglich.
Sein Name wird im Gedenkbuch des Friedhofes verzeichnet.

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by T.K. » 22 Dec 2008 20:10

Hello,

Schiller, Kurt, Unteroffizier, Georgisches Inf.Btl.799, 9.11.1944 BKAb

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by T.K. » 07 Jan 2009 23:07

Hello,
I got more infos on:

Oblt. d.SchuPo Knaack Heinz, SS-Pol.Reiter-Abt.1, BKAs 30.01.45, Wolff, HoSSPF Italien.

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 08 Jan 2009 17:24

Thanks T.K. ! All updated.

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by T.K. » 17 Jan 2009 22:35

Unteroffizier Robert, Otto, 13\11\1944, BKA, 3./Div.Füs.Btl.363 (born on 26\10\02 at Schoemberg?, Source; Wehrpass at Weitze's)

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by T.K. » 12 Feb 2009 23:23

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