Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Gareth Collins » 05 Jun 2010 20:17

Frech woyuld have pictures of them? Namely Brantner first & foremost.

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by HFK » 06 Jun 2010 02:26

Good evening everyone, This is becoming interesting. Counting only the active generals, Heer and Luftwaffe, I have 160 names. Heer - 128 and LW 28. I don't think we should count the generals who were Zbf or A.D. If anyone wants to include the A.D. Austrian generals or the Tannenberg generals, the total increases by 343 names, so I will stay with my 160 names. Overall, our numbers are very similar. What do the rest of you think about counting ONLY the generals who were active at any time during the war? Harry

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by HFK » 06 Jun 2010 06:16

Sorry, The Heer total is 132, not 128. Harry

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Frech » 06 Jun 2010 06:39

Hi,

HFK: you are right, it is to discuss. My interest is to know all Austrian generals who were allowed to wear German uniform. As we see in fact is in the "identification of generals" thread sometimes pics for identification from which you dont know wether the displayed general was a.D., z.V., char. or whatever. So it would be a fine instrument to have a file stock of all generals and as many as possible pics of them. But that is just my special interest. You will have another sight and will be right with it too.

HFK: if you would have some more names of Austrian Tannenberg-generals I would be very happy if you could post them here.

Gareth: if you mean Theordor Brantner, yes I have found quite a nice pic of him in a book and will try to scan it later in the afternoon because I have to leave now. I have found one of Genlt Dr. Ing. Leitner too. Hope they will come in good quality.

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by HFK » 06 Jun 2010 07:44

Guten morgen Christian,
Here are a few names of generals who were not accepted into the German army.
Enzmann and Brantner retired in 1936, before the Anschluss.
Zaiser and Till were not accepted for political reliability reasons and were retired in 1938.
I have no information on Marian Vessely and Zipfel.
I do have the name Alois Vesel, but I think he retired before 1938.
As far as Tannenberg generals, I can't think of any Austrian generals who qualified, mainly because Austria was not involved in the Battle of Tannenberg.
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Jun 2010 08:43

... and there is also
k.u.k. General der Infanterie Alfred Krauss
01.04.1938 Berechtigung zum Tragen der Uniform eines Generals der Infanterie (deutsche Wehrmacht)

NB:
I will soon post also some Generalärzte missing in connection !!

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General(stabs)ärzte from Austria

Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Jun 2010 09:32

Von der Stirne heiß, rinnen muss der Schweiß, soll das Werk die Meister loben
From the forehead hot the sweat must run, If the creation shall praise the master(s) :)


Zur z.V. Stellung vorgesehene Sanitätsoffiziere des österreichischen Bundesheeres
[designated as z.V.]
(source: Fischer, Hubert: “Der deutsche Sanitätsdienst 1921-1945“. Band 4, Biblio Verlag, Osnabrück, 1985, page 3041)
I don’t know if finally they were accepted into the German army or not.

Dr. med. Karl Müller, * 04.08.1879, österr. Generalarzt 14.02.1933
Dr. med. Gerald Bayer, * 07.03.1878, österr. Generalarzt 25.06.1935
Dr. med. Oskar Leissner, * 02.08.1881, österr. Generalarzt 26.06.1937
Dr. med. Emil Hochmann, * 29.09.1875, österr. Generalarzt 20.03.1925 (tit.)
Dr. med. Paul Dömény, * 13.03.1876, österr. Generalarzt 23.03.1936 (tit.)

________________________________________________________________________

Generalstabsärzte:
Dr. med. Hans Schmidt-Hofmann, * 03.01.1889 (GA 01.03.1940, GstA 01.03.1942 (2))
Dr. med. Arthur Zimmer, * 02.12.1889 (GA 01.08.1938, GstA 01.08.1941 (3))

Generalärzte:
Dr. med. Emmerich Janetzky, * 06.10.1872 (01.07.1938 GenA z.V.)
Dr. med. Gottfried Nickl, * 21.05.1878, österr. Generalarzt 24 09.1932 (00.00.193_ GenA z.V.)
Dr. med. Wenzel Zemann, * 11.05.1875 (char. GA 00.00.19__, GA z.V. 01.09.1942)


And not to forget:
Generalarzt der Reserve z.V. Prof. Dr. med. Dr. med. vet. h.c. Erwin Payr was a former k.u.k. Generalarzt à la suite (1914/16)
and
Generalarzt der Reserve Hofrat Prof. Dr. med. Hans von Haberer-Kremshohenstein was a former k.u.k. Oberstabsarzt I. Klasse (1914/18)


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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Stauffenberg II » 06 Jun 2010 09:50

Hi Christian,

I have reviewed your detailed additions and I can add some more addition to your work, which is much appreciated:

Haselmay[e]r Theodor Edler von Fernstein, Genlt (9): Haselmayr instead of Haselmayer
Schäfer [Hugo], Genlt (38): first name Hugo missing, identical with GM (58)
Schönherr Otto ([Edler] von Schönleiten), Genlt (27): according to Rangliste 1918 "Edler" is missing
Wittas Paul [(Ritter von)], Genlt (41) according to Rangliste 1918 "Ritter von" is missing

Longin [Anton], GM (18) --> transfer into Luftwaffe in 1938
Jesser Kurt [(von)], GM (23): according to Rangliste 1918 "von" is missing
Schäfer Hugo, GM (58): = Genlt Schäfer identical with Genlt (38)
Schmidt, Adalbert (von), GM: is missing. GM Adalbert von Schmidt was transferred into the German Heer on 15.03.1938 and had to retire due to health reasons as per as 31/10/1938. A detailed overview of his career was researched by me using his personnel file in the Vienna war archive; see below. I have excluded the detailed medical reason, however.

As regards GL Adalbert Mikulicz I have forgotten to look him up in the 1918 rank list. I have received some info that his detailled designation of nobility is missing. Maybe somebody with a 1918 rank list could look him up?
von Schmidt, Adalbert

Geb.: 26.09.1886 in Prag
Ruhestand: 31.10.1938

Foto in dt. Uniform im Fürsorge- und Versorgungsakt des Kriegsarchiv Wien enthalten!

26.08.1938, Schreiben an HPA, ersucht um Entlassung.

31.08.1938, Untersuchung als Kdr. Wehrersatzinspektion Oberdonau durch Div. Arzt 45. ID:
„Der Untersuchte besitzt daher nicht mehr die zum aktiven Wehrdienst erforderlichen körperlichen Eigenschaften und Kräfte. Er ist mithin dienstunfähig (untauglich für den Waffendienst). Wiederherstellung bis zur Dienstfähigkeit ist ausgeschlossen. Nachprüfung der Dienstfähigkeit ist nicht erforderlich.“

31.08.1938, sucht um Abschied mit 31.10.1938 bei Kienitz an, mit Bitte um Urlaub bis zum Abschied.

26.09.1938, erhält Abschied und Uniformtragrecht, Wirkung 31.10.1938

Lt. 18.08.1907, K. u. K. Dragoner-Regiment No. 1
Olt. 01.11.1912
Hptm. 01.09.1915
Tit. Maj. 01.07.1920
Obstlt. a. D. 01.01.1921
Obstlt. 01.12.1921
Obst. 24.04.1930
Gen. Maj.: 22.12.1936

01.08.1933: Stellvertreter des Kommandeurs der 3. Brigade (zuget. Offz.)
01.06.1935: Kommandeur Infanteriebrigade der 3. Division
01.10.1936: Kommandeur Kraftfahrjägerbrigade der Schn. Division
01.04.1937: Kavalleriebrigadier in der Schn. Division
23.05.1938: kdt. zur Wehrersatzinspektion Dresden
01.06.1938: Insp. Wehrersatzinspektion Ober-Donau (Linz A/D)
01.09.1938: Offiziere z. Vfg. d. OBdH

Sohn des K. u. K. Feldmarschalleutnant Bruno von Schmidt

Gest. am 04.06.1955 in Eisenstadt

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by John Hilly » 06 Jun 2010 10:13

Brilliant work! But how about Generals der Waffen-SS?
Is it too mentally difficult for the Austrians? :?
With best greetings
Juha-Pekka :milwink:
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Jun 2010 13:46

John Hilly wrote:Brilliant work! But how about Generale der Waffen-SS ?
Is it too mentally difficult for the Austrians? :?
With best greetings
Juha-Pekka :milwink:
Lieber Blechtrommler,
they are all wellknown - but this is totally off topic in this thread :wink:

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Jun 2010 13:51

I think there is already a good compilation on the market, at least till 'Schimana' :milwink:

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Frech » 06 Jun 2010 14:36

Hi to all!

Thank you very much for your feedback and your input. I will reply as far as I can within the next following minutes. For the first I begin with the pic of Theodor Brantner.

It shows him als General der Kavallerie in service dress.

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Frech » 06 Jun 2010 14:49

and here follows Dr.Ing. Karl Leitner, Genlt, as GenMjr in ÖBH uniform.

Maybe he is of interest too.

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Frech » 06 Jun 2010 14:59

Now some replies:

HFK - Tannenberg generals:

it appears that many of the brevet ranks which were bestowed to former k.u.k. officers and generals were given in close connection ith the 25 years Tannenberg anniversery. Not FOR Tannenberg but just using the event for handing out the documents. That is what I mentioned with "Tannenberg generals".

My question were if anybody of the members here could provide a list of the Tannenberg promotions.

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by VJK » 06 Jun 2010 15:01

Thank you very much Christian, for the pics, especially of Brantner. He has been much sought after by many of us here on the Forum for 7 years (!!), and until now the only pic found was a drawing. You have resolved a very, very prolonged frustration!

Very best regards,

VJK

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