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Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Post by USAF1986 » 20 Dec 2003 20:50

I thought I’d start this thread to inquire if any of the forum members, particularly our Hungarian colleagues, might have access to official award rolls listing the German recipients of the following Hungarian orders from 1935 to the end of the war:

• Order of St. Stephan
• Order of Merit
• Order of the Holy Crown of Hungary (instituted in 1942)

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 21 Dec 2003 10:34

Gentlemen,

I heartily second Shawn´s attempt.

Many thanks in advance!

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Graf Johann Adolf von Kielmansegg

Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 23 Dec 2003 06:06

Gentlemen!

Oberst i.G. Graf Johann Adolf von Kielmansegg had two high neck orders from Rumania and Hungary. They were:

Kommandeurkreuz des Koniglich-Rumanischen Ordens der Krone mit Schwerter (00.01.1944)

Komturkreuz des Koniglich-Ungarischen Ordens der Stefanskrone mit Schwerter (00.00.1944)

That's a start from now.

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Ludwig Heinrich Gaedcke

Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 27 Dec 2003 01:47

Fellows.

Generalmajor Ludwig Heinrich Gaedcke(RK) was awarded the Komturkreuz Ungarischer Verdienstorden mit Schwertern am Kriegsband on December 12, 1944.

In the battle of Hungary (1944-1945) I believed there were a lots of Germans that were awarded Hungarian orders and decorations. We just have to identified some of them for the time being if its possible. :idea:

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Post by Gyenes » 27 Dec 2003 03:13

Just to put some numbers up....

The Hungarian contributation to the german war

1, 150.000 men of the "arrow cross" and "levente youth organization"
2, 200.000 Hungarianarmy personeel who ended the war in germany and even denmark
3, 17.000 hungarian personell of the police and gendarmerie
4, 42.000 men of the 25. SS and 26. SS Infantry division
5, 110.000 men of the Hungarian army who ended the war in Austria
6, 14.000 men of the 22. SS Volunteer Calvary Division "Maria Theresa"
7, 8-11.000 men of the 31. SS Volunteer Grenadier Division "Batschka"
8, 3.500 men of the 1. Hungarian SS Ski "Battalion"
9, 5.000 men of the SS Brigade "ney"
10, 250.000 ethnic germans from Hungary primaraly serving in the German armed forces

Source:
The Hungarian Army and its military leadership in World War 2
by Andris Kursietis
This particular excert by Antonio Munoz

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Two Waffen-SS Generals

Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 08 Jan 2004 02:48

Hello Fellows!

During the battle of Budapest, Hungary, the two Waffen-SS Cavalry Divisions the 8th and the 22nd were very much fighting in that city against the Soviets. Brigadefuehrer Joachim Rumohr, CO of the 8th and Brigadefuehrer August Zehender, CO of the 22nd were both killed in action. They were both awarded the Oak Leaves to the Knight's Cross. In my opinion, they were good candidates for one of the high neck orders from Hungary. Also Obergruppenfuehrer Karl von Pfeffer-Wildenbruch, CO of IX SS Mountain Corps in Hungary was probably also awarded a high neck order from that country. He was a holder of the Oak Leaves to the Knight's Cross. That's just a good guest on my part. :idea:

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Kriegsmarine Recipients.

Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 20 Jan 2004 03:19

Dear fellows,

Looks like I'm going to supply imformation and questions for awhile since no one is helping in this 'Hungarian Decorations' topic. I know that the men from the Heer,Luftwaffe,and the Waffen-SS were awarded high orders from Hungary. What about the men from the Kriegsmarine? Did they did any assistant to the small Hungarian Navy and won any decorations from Hungary? What were the German Admirals' and full Captains' names that supplied assistant to that navy?

Edward :|

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Post by Orok » 20 Jan 2004 03:58

USAF1986 wrote:I thought I’d start this thread to inquire if any of the forum members, particularly our Hungarian colleagues, might have access to official award rolls listing the German recipients of the following Hungarian orders from 1935 to the end of the war:

• Order of St. Stephan
• Order of Merit
• Order of the Holy Crown of Hungary (instituted in 1942)

Best Regards,
Shawn


I don't know if these orders were open to foreign recipients. Since none of our Budapest based friends answered, the chance is they might not!

Best Regards!

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Post by USAF1986 » 21 Jan 2004 00:29

Here is Generalleutnant Max Pemsel displaying the Hungarian Order of Merit, Commander’s Cross on the War Decoration Ribbon with Swords. This photo was taken upon his surrender in northern Italy while serving as the Chief of the General Staff of the Ligurian Army commanded by Italian Marshal Rudolfo Graziani.

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Post by USAF1986 » 22 Jan 2004 00:37

Here's a link to a photo of Generalleutnant Werner Sanne displaying the Hungarian Order of Merit, Commander's Cross on the War Decoration Ribbon with Swords. Per photographic evidence, Sanne also held the neck-worn Croat Order of the Iron Trefoil, 1st Class.

http://216.198.255.120/divisions/road_t ... ad_100.htm

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Post by Marcus » 30 Jan 2010 13:01

Theodor Rowehl is wearing the Order of Merit in the below photo:

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Post by Requin Marteau » 31 Jan 2010 09:59

Bonjour,

Otto SKORZENY won the Komturkreuz d. Ordens d. Ungarischen Heiligen Krone mit KD u. Schwertern,

see : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=31687&p=283835&hilit=skorzeny#p283835

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 14 Oct 2017 04:54

Gentlemen,

Anymore German recipients of Hungarian orders?

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Post by graveland » 14 Oct 2017 17:20

Karl-Wilhelm von Schlieben (Offizierkreuz des Königl. Ungarischen Verdienstordens mit Kriegsdekoration)
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Werner Sanne (Komturkreuz des Königl. Ungarischen Verdienstordens mit Schwertern)
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Eberhard Thunert (Komturkreuz des Königl. Ungarischen Verdienstordens mit Schwertern)
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Walther Lucht (Komturkreuz des Königl. Ungarischen Verdienstordens mit Schwertern)
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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Post by Dave Danner » 15 Oct 2017 02:05

These are the names I have so far for the Merit Order (Érdemrend/Verdienstorden). A couple of notes: German sources are often unclear regarding whether someone received the swords and the war decoration or just the swords. Also, the award dates, when known, are given, but in many cases the German sources are not clear whether it is the date awarded by the Hungarians or the date it was approved for wear by the Germans. Wartime awards of non-German decorations are not typically included in Personalakten, so most of this list are non-swords awards from the late-1930s.

Heer:

Großkreuz mit Schwertern
• Bock, Fedor v.
• Brauchitsch, Walter v.
• Fretter-Pico, Maximilian
• Kleist, Ewald v.

Großkreuz
• Gercke, Rudolf
• Ginkel, Oskar van (22.03.1941)
• Guderian, Heinz
• Keitel, Wilhelm
• Liebmann, Curt
• Rintelen, Enno v.
• Rundstedt, Gerd v.

Kommandeurkreuz mit dem Stern und mit Schwertern
• Briesen, Kurt v. (11.09.1941)

Kommandeurkreuz mit dem Stern
• Büchs, Friedrich (26.08.1938)
• Friderici, Erich (10.10.1937)
• Hansen, Erik (20.08.1938)
• Keitel, Bodewin (26.09.1938)
• Kortzfleisch, Joachim v. (13.02.1940)
• Liese, Kurt
• Tippelskirch, Kurt v.

Kommandeurkreuz mit Schwertern
• Giesen, Gerhard
• Harteneck, Gustav
• Lucht, Walther
• Pemsel, Max
• Sanne, Werner
• Thunert, Eberhard

Kommandeurkreuz
• Angern, Günther
• Baeßler, Johannes (23.08.1938)
• Buchwald, Hermann (19.04.1938)
• Chevallerie, Kurt v. der (12.2.1939)
• Crüwell, Ludwig (25.08.1938)
• Dönitz, Karl
• Eisenhart-Rothe, Ernst-Georg v. (22.03.1941)
• Fahrmbacher, Wilhelm (16.11.1937)
• Grimmeiß, Maximilian
• Heusinger, Adolf
• Horn, Hans-Joachim v. (22.11.1935)
• Hoßbach, Friedrich (07.10.1936)
• Hünermann, Rudolf (22.08.1938)
• Konrad, Rudolf
• Kinzel, Eberhard (1940)
• Nostitz-Wallwitz, Gustav-Adolf v.
• Rowehl, Theodor
• Voß, Hans Alexander v.
• Wuthmann, Rolf (05.05.1939)
• Zorn, Hans

Offizierkreuz mit Schwertern und der Kriegsdekoration
• Doerr, Hans
• Krause, Ernst v. (07.05.1942)
• Krosigk, Ernst Anton v. (23.02.1942)
• Maempel, Rolf (16.06.1941)
• Schlieben, Karl-Wilhelm v.
• Schuckmann, Eberhard v.

Offizierkreuz
• Audörsch, Oskar (20.08.1938)
• Babel, Ottomar (19.10.1938)
• Boetzel, Friedrich
• Geldern-Crispendorf, Joachim v. (02.08.1938)
• Grobholz, Joseph (19.04.1938)
• Groscurth, Helmuth
• Herfurth, Otto
• Himer, Kurt (22.12.1936)
• Jacobsen, Alfred (12.03.1940)
• Just, Emil (24.02.1936)
• Kreßner, Karl (22.08.1938)
• Kretzschmer, Hans-Theodor (20.11.1939)
• Piekenbrock, Hans

Ritterkreuz mit Schwertern und der Kriegsdekoration
• Harbuval, Cosmas Graf v., gen. Chamaré (07.05.1942)

Ritterkreuz
• Crasemann, Eduard (12.02.1939)
• Hanke, Walter (1.3.42 OTL) (01.09.1942)
• Krüger, Walter (1.1.43 Oberst) (28.11.1938)

Luftwaffe:
Kommandeurkreuz
• Kathmann, Walter
Offizierkreuz
• Johann, Edgar
• Polte, Wilhelm

Kriegsmarine:
Großkreuz mit Schwertern
• Raeder, Erich
Großkreuz
• Boehm, Hermann
• Carls, Rolf
Kommandeurkreuz mit Stern
• Densch, Hermann
• Lütjens, Günther
Kommandeurkreuz
• Arnold, Alfred
• Bürkner, Leopold
• Ciliax, Otto
• Kummetz, Oskar
• Lietzmann, Joachim

SS:
Kommandeurkreuz mit dem Stern
Kamptz, Jürgen v.
Kommandeurkreuz
• Breithaupt, Franz
• Sellschopp, Hans (Beamter im Prop.Min.)
Stufe unbekannt
• Schmelcher, Willy

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