Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby Cartaphilus » 15 Oct 2017 10:13

Hello Dave.

I have no data on the granting of the Order of Merit of these generals. Are the sources reliable or do we have photographic confirmation?

Maybe our friend Graveland, who has very reliable information, can tell us something


Dave Danner wrote:Heer:

• Fretter-Pico, Maximilian

Großkreuz

• Ginkel, Oskar van (22.03.1941)
• Guderian, Heinz
• Liebmann, Curt
• Rintelen, Enno v.


Kommandeurkreuz mit dem Stern

• Tippelskirch, Kurt v.

Kommandeurkreuz mit Schwertern
• Giesen, Gerhard
• Harteneck, Gustav


Kriegsmarine:

Kommandeurkreuz mit Stern
• Densch, Hermann


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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby graveland » 15 Oct 2017 17:03

Cartaphilus wrote:Hello Dave.

I have no data on the granting of the Order of Merit of these generals. Are the sources reliable or do we have photographic confirmation?

Maybe our friend Graveland, who has very reliable information, can tell us something


Dave Danner wrote:Heer:

• Fretter-Pico, Maximilian

Großkreuz

• Ginkel, Oskar van (22.03.1941)
• Guderian, Heinz
• Liebmann, Curt
• Rintelen, Enno v.


Kommandeurkreuz mit dem Stern

• Tippelskirch, Kurt v.

Kommandeurkreuz mit Schwertern
Giesen, Gerhard
• Harteneck, Gustav


Kriegsmarine:

Kommandeurkreuz mit Stern
• Densch, Hermann


All the information that our friend Dave Danner shares with us is coming from reliable sources, you bet!

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Id: Oberst Gerhard Giesen

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby Cartaphilus » 15 Oct 2017 19:28

graveland wrote:All the information that our friend Dave Danner shares with us is coming from reliable sources, you bet!

I'm sure, Dave is always a valuable source. Even so, I found strange Guderian's Gran Cross. Guderian is one of the most famous German generals of the Second World War, and I've never read any reference about foreing decorations received by him. I suppose that was a peace-time award (no swords).
And what about Generaloberst Johannes Friessner and General Siegfried Haenicke. They don't appear on Dave list, but I believe that they received the Grand Cross with Swords.

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby Cartaphilus » 15 Oct 2017 19:40

We can also add some politicians that received the Grand Cross of the Hungarian Merit Order:

- Minister Walther Darré
- Minister Otto Meissner
- Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop
- Reichskommisar and Minister Arthur Seyss-Inquart
- State Secretary Hermann Esse
- State Secretary Werner Zschintzsch
- Ambassador Hans-Georg von Mackensen
- Chieff of Protocol Alexander von Dörnberg
- Reichsleiter Philipp Bouhler
- Reichsleiter Karl Fiehler
- Reichsleiter Franz Ritter von Epp
- Gauleiter Ernst Wilhelm Bohle
- Kospführer (NSKK) Adolf Hühnlein
- Reichsportführer Hans von Tschammer und Osten

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby Dave Danner » 16 Oct 2017 02:11

Guderian also received the Yugoslav Order of St. Sava before the war.

As I mentioned, wartime awards of non-German awards are rarely mentioned in German personnel files. The Dienstlaufbahn, where all awards are supposed to be listed, was rarely updated after mobilization, and the wartime Beurteilungen only ask for German awards to be listed. So for awards with swords, we pretty much have to rely on photos or other sources.

Oskar van Ginkel's award was in his Dienstlaufbahn, although I suspect it was actually awarded in 1940 and 22.3.41 was the approval date (Genehmigung zur Annahme). His 1944 Beurteilung only lists the KVK1X and 2X and the Spange to the EK2.

The others are mainly from sources in Germany, whom I consider reliable, but mistakes can be made. They rely mainly on photographic evidence or evidence from auctions of Nachlässe.

Are there photos for Johannes Frießner and Siegfried Haenicke? The last award entered in Frießner's Dienstlaufbahn is the Commander's Cross of the Order of the Italian Crown (27.8.40), and his 1944 Beurteilung only lists German awards. Haenicke's personnel file was not in the archives. As I said, it is really hard to find documentation for wartime awards, so any little bit helps.

Cartaphilus wrote:We can also add some politicians that received the Grand Cross of the Hungarian Merit Order:

- Minister Walther Darré
- Minister Otto Meissner
- Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop
- Reichskommisar and Minister Arthur Seyss-Inquart
- State Secretary Hermann Esse
- State Secretary Werner Zschintzsch
- Ambassador Hans-Georg von Mackensen
- Chieff of Protocol Alexander von Dörnberg
- Reichsleiter Philipp Bouhler
- Reichsleiter Karl Fiehler
- Reichsleiter Franz Ritter von Epp
- Gauleiter Ernst Wilhelm Bohle
- Kospführer (NSKK) Adolf Hühnlein
- Reichsportführer Hans von Tschammer und Osten

For government officials, I also have Franz v. Papen and Ernst Freiherr v. Weiszäcker with the Grand Cross. Can anyone confirm?

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby Requin Marteau » 16 Oct 2017 08:28

graveland wrote:Kommandeurkreuz mit Schwertern
Giesen, Gerhard mit Stern(see photo)
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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby Cartaphilus » 16 Oct 2017 14:19

Dave Danner wrote:Guderian also received the Yugoslav Order of St. Sava before the war.

Hi Dave.

Do you know which grade of Saint Sava Order received Guderian? I suppose that Commander or Great Officer, according to his Rank.

We can add also some names to the Hungarian Merit Order:
- Erwin von Witzleben (Grand Cross)
- Albert Kesselring (Grand Cross)
- Erhard Milch (Grand Cross)
- Conrad Albrecht (Grand Cross)
- Werner Lorenz (Grand Cross)
- Walther von Reichenau (Commander with Star)
- Friedrich Olbricht (Commander with Star)
- Johannes Zuckertort (Commander with Star)
- Reinhard Heydrich (Commander with Star)


The infamous Dr. Morell was awarded also with this Order, but I don't know the grade because it appears in photographs only on his ribbon bar.

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby graveland » 16 Oct 2017 18:33

Requin Marteau wrote:
graveland wrote:Kommandeurkreuz mit Schwertern
Giesen, Gerhard mit Stern(see photo)
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Id: Oberst Gerhard Giesen

Sorry, Thierry, but I am still thinking he is wearing the Kommandeurkreuz mit Schwertern around the neck and the Offizierkreuz on his left pocket.

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby George Lengyel » 16 Oct 2017 18:48

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby graveland » 16 Oct 2017 18:56

Great, George, thanks!

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Otto von Stülpnagel

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Franz von Papen

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Johann Adametz

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Johannes Zuckertort

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Dr. phil. Friedrich von Cochenhausen

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Generalstabsarzt Dr.med. Hermann Hofmann
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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby Cartaphilus » 16 Oct 2017 20:01

George Lengyel wrote:More photos....


Hi George. Do you (or any of our partners) know which breast star appears on your portrait of Generaloberst Wilhelm Adam, next to the Hungarian Merit Order?


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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby graveland » 16 Oct 2017 20:06

Grosskreuz des Chilenischer Verdienstorden

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Re: Award Lists – German Recipients of Hungarian Orders

Postby Cartaphilus » 16 Oct 2017 20:12

Or maybe Grand Officer, because he wears the neck decoration of this order too.

Good job.


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