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Post by Bernd R » 20 Jul 2007 16:37

RE : finishing of review -> all done

215. ID : Freiherr von Ow auf Wachendorf - thanks Shawn for clearing with a document.
These are the little "highlights" I like most and which are making a project day ! :D

8. SS-Kav.Div "Florian Geyer" : annoying and sometimes difficult as usual ; to make it short :

1) the mistake "Friedrich Buck, Kav.Rgt 18" obviously is originating in the Krätschmer book. Hi is listed like that on page 839 there.
He is listed on [page 13] with SS-Kav.Rgt 15 both for KC and NKiG which is correct.

2) Korth, DKiG, is listed with SS-RR 1

3) Lombard, DKiG, is listed : Kdr SS-RR 1
The issue here and in general for SS-Kav.Brig and SS-Kav.Div is
a) the usage of the unit designations "Reiter-Regiment" and "Kavallerie-Regiment"
b) that in fact in many cases there was a longer time period between proposal and award. In consequence there are recipients of "RR" in 1943 ! although the unit designation changed to "Kav.Rgt" in 1941 (most sources say 01.09.1941).
Lombard was awarded the DKiG for earlier service (turn 1941/42, especially january 1942) and the recommendation is dated "22.03.1942"! [source: manuscript Miller] Award then on 11.02.1943 ! [
At time of action he was Sturmbannführer d.R. and the unit obviously was called still "RR". At time of award he was Obersturmbannführer d.R. and the Rgt was called "Kav.Rgt" already.
So, he is listed according to Scheibert ; the others, too.

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Post by Bernd R » 20 Jul 2007 16:55

RE : "Feldherrnhalle" units (page 17]
lists are in a status according to the recent discussions and are not completely fine.

I have added Hans-Georg Fernau as a supplement. To class him with the headquarter division "Pz.Div FHH 2" is correct perhaps but it's not obvious and we need a confirmation or additional sources.

A look over the lists is showing that the official and planned unit designations "Pz.Gren.Rgt 1, 2 ..." are not to see often. Therefore "Gren.Rgt FHH" or "Gren.Rgt (mot) FHH" was used obviously until the end. Makes a classification difficult only by unit designation and dates.
So, Fernau, Kdr I./GR (mot) FHH" can belong to every division (?).

After a time of reflection and further research and maybe more input I will present the "FHH" units in the standard review style to make a final choice what is correct and what has to be set on the open points list.

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Post by Bernd R » 20 Jul 2007 17:00

review / re-check

The following units are merged and reviewed. Please have a look for any further add&corr and typos if you have a moment of time.

[page 21] : 252. ID / 321. ID / 323. ID / 253. ID / 254. ID

[page 9] : 2. Pz.Div

[page 10] : 26. Pz.Div

[page 24] : 10. Pz.Div

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 20 Jul 2007 17:29

Typos in 2.PD-list, page 8:

DKiG

Becker, Eugen
Bennigsen, Walther von
Dill> 10./SR 304
Dous> I./PzAR 74
Fabiunke, Karl
Ferdinand, Wilhelm, 8./SR 2
Göricke> 29.01..45
Hanff> 8./PR 3
Hannemann and Heinlein: Oberleutnant
Hoppe> II./SR 2
Knauer> I./PGR 2
Lahr> 3./AR 74
Magold> Oberleutnant Stab II./AR 74
Oehme> 8./PR 3

EBS

Bartels, Herbert
Püschel, Hellmut

AUdOBdH

Zimmermann> 1./PzPiBtl. 38


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Post by Bernd R » 21 Jul 2007 08:12

corrections 2. Pz.Div done, thanks J-H !

add & corr Kommandobehörden list [page 80] :
listing of Friedrich Fromm, BdE, revised completely (was listed "Dietrich")
note and link added to Festung Breslau and Brest which are listed in the Festung section already ; will be deleted lateron to avoid double listings.

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Post by Bernd R » 21 Jul 2007 08:32

Please, all, help me to finish the review of the following divisions :

75. Infanterie-Division [page 16]
Boehmer, Siegfried, Erich, Gerhard, 10.03.1944, Oberleutnant, 2./Gren.Rgt. 222
DKiG ; just to re-check, first name ? not a main name ? = "Rufname" in German
Goerke, Kurt, 00.00.0000, Feldwebel, Zugführer i. d. 1./Gren.Rgt. 172
NKiG ; date ?

76. Infanterie-Division [page 16]
Nowotne, Heinz, 02.10.1943, Oberleutnant d.R., III./Füs.Rgt. 230
DKiG ; name correct ?
Kockzius, Kurt, 25.01.1943, Oberleutnant d.R., O 2 Stab 76. Inf.Div.
DKiS ; I will add : [2. Ordonnanzoffizier]

81. Infanterie-Division [page 16]
Schneider, Heinrich, 25.02.1945, Leutnant, 2./Pz.Jäg.Kp. 1181
EBS ; 2nd company of a Panzerjäger-Kompanie is a wrong designation ; typo or mistake in official files.
The Pz.Jäg.Abt 181 was reformed on 01.04.1944 ; Stug.Abt 1181 which existed since feb 1944 was incorporated as 2. Kp ; so, it normally should read : 2./Pz.Jäg.Abt 181 (there are other EBS recipients of Pz.Jäg.Abt 181 in 1945) ; instead of overtaking an unclear and wrong unit designation we should list the obvious and logic one here.


59. Inf.Div , 64. Inf.Div and 77. Inf.Div [page 16] : fine

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Karl Paar

Post by copiloto » 21 Jul 2007 09:20

Hello.
I'd like to know if Karl Paar is counted as a NKSiG träger or not, please.
Paar, Karl, 0-0-0000, SS-Hauptscharführer d.R., SS-Rgt. "Radolfzell"
In the page 56 of this thread, 23-5-2007 at 14:50 is this comment:
"Paar, Karl was listed with date „00.00.0000“ in the 1986 edition of Dörr ; he is not listed in the 2006 edition anymore"
Does anyone know why he was in one edition and not in the next one?

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21.Infanterie-Division

Post by copiloto » 21 Jul 2007 09:47

Hello.
I miss next NKSiG trägers in the 21.Infanterie-Division, page 9 of this thread by Bern:

Boenke, Alfred, 15/06/1944, Unteroffizier d.R., 7./Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/2387
Fege, Kurt, 21/11/1944, Leutnant d.R., 7./Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/4245
Fleer, Hermann, 20/04/1945, Oberleutnant d.R., 3./Pi.Btl. 21/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/4448
Kroeg, Helmut, 01/03/1945, Hauptmann, II./Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/8917
Kutschkau, Ernst, 01/02/1945, Oberfeldwebel d.R., 6./Gren.Rgt. 3/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/8926
Lehmann, Waldemar, 15/05/1944, Hauptmann, II./Gren.Rgt. 3/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/8933
Quednau, Albert, 30/12/1944, Feldwebel, 3./Pi.Btl. 21/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9034
Radermacher, Karl, 21/10/1944, Unteroffizier, 6./Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9035
Rudnick, Erich, 0-3-1945, Leutnant d.R., Pionier-Zug/Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9067
Sawatzki, Otto, 29/12/1944, Oberfeldwebel, 3./Pi.Btl. 21/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9085
Scheffler, Joaschim, 10/08/1944, Unteroffizier, 1./Füs.Btl. 21/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9096
Is Joaschim the correct name?, or is maybe Joachim?
Seibert, Josef, 09/04/1945, Unteroffizier, II./Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9153
Stegk, Artur, 24/12/1944, Unteroffizier, Stab II./Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9173
Wallesch, Ernst, 24/12/1944, Unteroffizier, 7./Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9216
Wardel, Valentin, 09/04/1945, Oberfeldwebel, Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9220
Wiedenberg, Ernst, 15/06/1944, Unteroffizier, 7./Gren.Rgt. 45/21.Infanterie-Division
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9237

What I don't know if is Shawn wrote the awards for this division too, if so I have completely missed it.
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Jordi

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Post by USAF1986 » 21 Jul 2007 14:49

Bernd,

Boehmer, Siegfried, Erich, Gerhard – name as listed in Scheibert

Goerke – still no date (00.00.0000) in 2006 edition of Dörr

Nowotne – name as listed in Scheibert

Kockzius – agree on adding 2. Ordonnanzoffizier

Schneider – agree on changing unit designation to 2./Pz.Jäg.Abt 181

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Post by USAF1986 » 21 Jul 2007 17:18

To be honest, I don't recall if I ever posted the list for the 21. Inf.Div. If I didn't, here it is!

Best regrads,
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SOURCE: Dörr (2006 edition)

Close Combat Clasp in Gold
Boenke, Alfred, 15.06.1944, Uffz. d.R., Gruppenfhr. 7./Gren.Rgt. 45
Fege, Kurt, 21.11.1944, Lt., Kp.Fhr. 7./Gren.Rgt. 45
Fleer, Hermann, 20.04.1945, Oblt. d.R., Kp.Chef 3./Pi.Btl. 21
Krempl, Josef, 10.03.1945, Uffz., Gruppenfhr. 4./Gren.Rgt. 24
Kroeg, Helmut, 01.03.1945, Hptm., Btl.Fhr. II./Gren.Rgt. 45
Kutschkau, Ernst, 00.00.0000, Ofw. d.R., Kp.Fhr. 6./Gren.Rgt. 3
Lehmann, Waldemar, 15.05.1944, Hptm., Kdr. II./Gren.Rgt. 3
Mindt, Fritz, 00.00.0000, Fw. d.R., Kp.Trupp-Fhr. 1./ Gren.Rgt. 24
Quednau, Albert, 30.12.1944, Fw., Zugfhr. 3./Pi.Btl. 21
Radermacher, Karl, 21.10.1944, Uffz, Gruppenfhr. 6./Gren.Rgt. 45
Rudnick, Erich, 00.03.1945, Lt., Zugfhr. Pi.Zug/Gren.Rgt. 45
Rutezki, Ernst, 15.12.1944, Ofw., Zugfhr. Gren.Rgt. 3
Sawatzki, Otto, 29.12.1944, Ofw., Zugfhr. 3./Pi.Btl. 21
Scheffler, Joachim, 10.08.1944, Uffz., Gruppenfhr. 1./Füs.Btl. 21
Seibert, Josef, 09.04.1945, Uffz., Gruppenfhr. II./Gren.Rgt. 45
Stegk, Artur, 24.12.1944, Uffz., Stb. II./Gren.Rgt. 45
Wallesch, Ernst, 24.12.1944, Uffz., Gruppenfhr. 7./Gren.Rgt. 45
Wardel, Valentin, 09.04.1945, Ofw., Zugfhr. Gren.Rgt. 45
Wiedenberg, Ernst, 15.06.1944, Uffz., Gruppenfhr. 7./Gren.Rgt. 45

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Post by Bernd R » 22 Jul 2007 09:02

RE : review of the last series of Inf.Divs finished, thanks Shawn

RE : Karl Paar , (NKiG)
Jordi, I take it he was listed for the time being in the 1986 edition and is not listed anymore because no official (or other) confirmation could be found.
The field of Close Combat Clasp Holders was much in progress the last years and it is a matter of fact that this field has it's own difficulties. In general there is still development and further research is taking part (see latest work RKT + NKiG by Florian Berger). More recipients have been found and are confirmed right now (if I'm correct the number increased from 615 , Dörr 3rd ed. to 633, Dörr , 4th ed.) ; on the other hand others were crossed out.
Of note, see here a hard review (in German) of Dörr's 4th edition : http://swbplus.bsz-bw.de/IFB_06-2_330.pdf
the author is questioning the sense of such a compilation and is a bit astonished about the public which might be interested in this topic.
Summarizing the introduction : 633 holders listed ; presumed to be 700 - 750 recipients (Dörr)

RE : 21. Inf.Div [page 9] : NKiG list added (there was a list of 3 only)
it's Joachim for sure , "Joaschim" is a typo, never seen this first name
Kutschkau award date : 01.02.1945 -> taken from Scherzer, "RKT"

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29.Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Falke-Division"

Post by copiloto » 22 Jul 2007 10:21

Hello.
I have got an addition for the 29.Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Falke-Division".
I miss next NKSiG träger in the page 29 of this thread, 25-3-2007, 17:43h

Meitzel, Helmut, 29-9-1943, Hauptmann, II./Gren.Rgt. 15(mot.)/29.Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Falke-Division"
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/8965

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16.Panzergrenadier-Division

Post by copiloto » 22 Jul 2007 19:19

Hello.
I have found some discrepancies for the 16.Panzergrenadier-Division:
NKSiG träger Hellinger, Helmut is written Hellfinger, Helmut
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/6294
NKSiG träger Schmitt, Hugo is written Schmitz, Hugo
Source: http://www.ww2awards.com/person/9122
NKSiG träger Springwald, Rolf was awarded in the7./Gren.Rgt. 60 (mot.) instead of 7./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 60, just have a look to the others NKSiG trägers.
Source: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... r/GR60.htm

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Post by USAF1986 » 22 Jul 2007 21:20

Jordi,

Hellinger – As written in Dörr and Scheibert.
Schmitt – As written in Dörr.
Springwald – Although 7./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 60 is listed in Dörr, per award date of 01.12.1943 you are probably correct.

BTW, I have found numerous spelling errors in the WW2 awards website.

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Frontaufkl.Kdo. 202

Post by USAF1986 » 22 Jul 2007 21:23

As anyone familiar with the unit of this German Cross in Gold holder? Subordination of the unit?

Bauer, Albrecht, 27.04.1945, Uffz., Frontaufkl.Kdo. 202

Thanks for any assistance!

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