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Re: Awardholders / unit

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Post by Bernd R » 02 Dec 2008, 16:51

You are welcome, LRRPS ! I don't expect the project horse dead on a page lower than 200 :)
Yes, no problem from my side to say this case is open on a basis of absolute accuracy. Unless we see a "Geburtsurkunde" [birth-certificate] or another undoubtful document. The divisional history can be wright or wrong, too. Possible also that not alone in the book but in reality the wrong name was in common usage (example for that I was in touch with recently : W-SS KC holder Harry Phoenix was spelled "Phönix" in many official documents and in the literature ; it is secure that his name from birth and throughout all the times was Phoenix , he and his wife signed like that).

To put the attempt into reality to get a serious, honest and not ignorant listing I will add our usual "(also seen als Schulz)" to the entry for the time being.

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PS: ..just before the click - eventually more and final clearing on that when Scherzer's Pionier Band of the Biblio KC series comes out.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

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Post by Bernd R » 03 Dec 2008, 23:33

RE: U-Boot DKiG dates
I have listed both dates for Hamann and Pickelmann for the time being.

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Post by Bernd R » 04 Dec 2008, 00:01

Add & Corr and additions

added to Kriegsmarine ground units [page 119]
Marine-Bataillon "Hoßfeld"
[ attached to 50. Inf.Div. , Krim ]
German Cross in Gold (1)
Hoßfeld, Hans, 18.05.1944, Kapitänleutnant (M.A.), Kdr. Marine-Btl. "Hoßfeld"
http://www.deutsche-marinesoldaten.de/l ... ssfeld.htm
http://www.ritterkreuztraeger-1939-45.d ... d-hans.htm
added to Fsch.Jäg.Rgt. 2 [page 20]
Close Combat Clasp in Gold (2)
Dietz, Friedrich, 25.08.1944, Oberjäger, Gruppenführer im II./Fsch.Jäg.Rgt. 2
Rüd, Josef, ?? , Oberfeldwebel, Zugführer i. d. 2./Fsch.Jäg.Rgt. 2
added and defined - 62. Inf.Div. [page 12] , EBS
Menzel, Werner, 17.07.1943, Hauptmann d.R., Felders.Btl. 162 [= Feldausb.Btl. ?]
added to Osttruppen [page 58] , Rebane is listed with 28. Jäg.Div. as attached already
Kommandeur der Osttruppen z.b.V. 700

German Cross in Gold (1)
Coretti, Julius, 03.01.1944, Oberst, Kdr. d. Osttruppen zbV 700 [Ost-Rgt.Stb. zbV 752 ? ]
(review p 148)

Ost-Bataillon (estn.) 658

Knight's Cross (1)
Rebane, Alfons 23.02.1944 Major Kdr Ost-Bataillon (estn.) 658 i. d. Kgr "Speth" (28. Jäg.Div) [also called estnisches Freiwilligen-Bataillon 658]
added to 342. Inf.Div. [page 15] , crossed out from "LSSAH" where it was placed as addendum for further research
EBS :
Schneck, Ernst, 05.04.1945 [V.S.], Hauptmann, Kampfgruppe Hansen
[Kgr. Oberst Walter Hansen, Kdr. GR 554 / Kgr. der 342. ID ; to be confirmed finally]
Once I thought about Kgr. Hansen of "LSSAH" in the Ardennen ; that's quite impossible and to rule out. It has to be a Kampfgruppe of 342. ID (Schneck all-time member if I'm correct) at the Baranow bridgehead. Couldn't find yet a 100% striking argument. 342. ID was destroyed there in Jan 45 and it seems (normal) it was split into Kampfgruppen.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

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Post by Bernd R » 04 Dec 2008, 19:28

RE: Luftwaffe
I'm through a bigger edit and expansion of the section on page 18
This is for Luftwaffen-Feld-Divisionen / Feld-Divisionen (L) and now also for other Lw ground units which are not Fallschirmjäger (-> p 20).

The Lw-Feld-Div are reviewed.

correction ; added to Lw.Feld-Division 15
Knight's Cross - Eitel, Emil, 08.08.1944, Hauptmann, Kdr III./Lw.Jäg.Rgt 30

I have added a number of appr. 25 DKiG holders from the Lw per Veit Scherzer , Die Träger des Deutschen Kreuzes in Gold der Luftwaffe 1941-1945 , Bayreuth 1992. This should complete the lists.
Can we have a re-check of the dates expecially, please ? Possibly there might be a few mistakes about the ranks / units. The recipients added are marked blue.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

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Post by Bernd R » 04 Dec 2008, 19:35

RE: Luftwaffe - other ground units

Can we have a re-check of those few DKiG holders added also please ?

of note :
EBS holder Theodor Reschke, ex Lw.Feld.Rgt. 1, which built Kgr. Schütze then, is listed with 21. Feld-Div. (L)
attached :
Reschke, Theodor, 27.02.1944, Hauptmann, Kampfgruppe Schütze [ex Lw.Feld.Rgt. 1]
There's an open points section installed for two recipients right now.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

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Post by Bernd R » 04 Dec 2008, 19:44

RE: Luftwaffe - other ground units / open point
Maaß, Willi, 12.12.1943, Hauptmann, L/Btl.Lw. / DKiG
entry per Scherzer, 1992 ; my "research highlight" or better catch of the day :
as he refers the material was very hard to read, the "L" most probably is to read "I."
now the finding ; he is listed already with 6. Feld-Division (L) like that
Maaß, Willi, 20.03.1944, Hauptmann, Abt.Kdr. [I./?] i. d. 6. Feld-Division (L)
we had single reviews once ; this data set is from the Scherzer pdf on the 6. Feld-Div (L) or eventually even from Scheibert.
I presume, this has to be the defined and newest data set per Patzwall/Scherzer (?). If not that easy we have another DKiG double award here :idea: :)

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Post by W.Vermeer » 05 Dec 2008, 14:59

Bernd, I have looked at a first bunch for how they are listed in Patzwall/Scherzer 2001:

Berstl, Peter, 28.01.1944, Feldwebel, Felders.Btl. 3 (L) : same in Patzwall/Scherzer
Meyerkort, Ottmar, 26.12.1943, Major, Fhr. II./Art.Rgt. 3 (L) : same in Patzwall/Scherzer
Eitel, Emil, 17.04.1943, Oberleutnant, [Fhr] IV./Lw-Feld-Div. 7: Patzwall/Scherzer gives also IV. / Luftwaffen-Feld-Division 7
Matussek, Paul, 25.11.1943, Oberst, Kdr. Lw.Jäg.Rgt. 19 : Patzwall/Scherzer gives the same
Mehnert, Karl, 01.01.1945 [date per Ehrenliste der Luftwaffe , = Anhang zu Lw-VoBl.], Oberst, Kdr. Jäg.Rgt. 20 (L) : Patzwall/Scherzer gives the same data, but not according to the Ehrenliste, but according to the Luftwaffen-Verordnungsblatt.
Ohme, Günter, 26.11.1943, Oberleutnant, 4./Pz.Jg.Abt. 12 (L) : Patzwall/Scherzer gives the same
Stuchlick, Werner, 26.12.1943, Oberleutnant, Pz.Jg.Abt. 12 (L) : Patzwall/Scherzer gives x / Panzerjäger-Abteilung 12 (L)


Maaß, Willi, 20.03.1944, Hauptmann, Abt.Kdr. [I./?] i. d. 6. Feld-Division (L) : Patzwall/Scherzer gives I. / Luftwaffen-Feld-Division 6 with the date 12.12.1943, there is no mentioning in the book on the 20.03.43 date

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Post by W.Vermeer » 05 Dec 2008, 16:42

And here are the others

Braun, Otto, 22.07.1943, Feldwebel, 10./Lw.Jg.Rgt. 26 : Patzwall/Scherze gives the same
Weinert, Willi, 24.06.1943, Feldwebel, Lw.Jg.Rgt. 25 : Patzwall/Scherzer gives 11. / Luftwaffen-Jäger-Regiment 25
Beutter, Friedrich, 09.08.1943, Oberleutnant, Stug.Bttr./Lw.Feld-Div. 15: Patzwall/Scherzer gives the same
Gerlach, Dietrich, 05.02.1944, Major, Kdr. Pz.Jg.Abt. 15 (L) : Patzwall/Scherzer give the same data
Kukuk, Hans-Reinhardt, 16.01.1944, Oberleutnant, IV./Art.Rgt. 15 (L) : Patzwall/Scherzer agrees
Mann, Wilhelm, 27.10.1943, Oberst, Kdr. Art.Rgt. 15 (L) : same in Patzwall/Scherzer
Rackowitsch von, Andreas, 09.08.1943, Leutnant, Stug.Bttr./Lw.Feld-Div. 15: the same data in Patzwall/Scherzer
Raddatz, Heinz, 17.10.1943, Leutnant, Lw.Feld-Div. 15 : Patzwall/Scherzer give the 15.Luftwaffen-Feld-Division
Schröppel, Alfred, 20.03.1944, Leutnant, 11./Lw.Jg.Rgt. 30 : Patzwall/Scherze give the same data
Spang, Willibald, 17.10.1943, Generalleutnant, Kdr. Lw.Feld-Div. 15 : Patzwall/Scherzer have the same
Erdmann, Dipl.Ing. Wolfgang, 28.12.1943, Generalmajor, Kdr. Lw.Feld-Div. 18 : Patzwall/Scherzer give 18.Luftwaffen-Feld-Division

Other Ground units:

Meindl, Eugen, 17.08.1942, Generalmajor, Kdr. Lw.Div. Meindl : Patzwall/Scherzer give for the date: 27.07.1942
Müller, Herbert, 24.06.1943, Leutnant, 16./Lw.Feld-Rgt. 1 : same data in Patzwall/Scherzer
Pfeifer, Josef, 29.04.1943, Oberleutnant, 16./Lw.Feld-Rgt. 1 : also in Patzwall/Scherzer
Jacobs, Willi, 04.01.1943, Oberleutnant, 8./Lw-IR Moskau : The same in Patzwall/Scherzer
Zander, Arthur, 17.10.1943, Hauptmann, Lw.Feld.Btl. z.b.V. 3 : Patzwall/Scherzer give x / Luftwaffen-Feld-Bataillon z.b.V. 3
Heinemann, Fritz, 27.07.1942, Oberfeldwebel, 10./Lw-Schützen-Btl. z.b.V. III : same data in Patzwall/Scherzer
Schmitz, Rudolf, 27.07.1942, Leutnant, Lw-Schützen-Btl. z.b.V. III : Patzwall/Scvherzer give x / Luftwaffen-Schützen-Bataillon z.b.V. III

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5.Gebirgs-Division

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Post by copiloto » 06 Dec 2008, 11:54

Hello Bernd.
There's a little error in the master list and in the page 44 about the quantity of EBS awarded to the 5.Gebirgs-Division, they are 21 and not 39 as it's written.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

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Post by Bernd R » 06 Dec 2008, 12:03

Thanks Wilco ! :D All edited according to the clarifications. Should be fine now.

Of note a few sets :
Beutter, Friedrich, 09.08.1943, Oberleutnant, Stug.Bttr./Lw.Feld-Div. 15 [= 4.(Stug)/Pz.Jg.Abt.]
Rackowitsch von, Andreas, 09.08.1943, Leutnant, Stug.Bttr./Lw.Feld-Div. 15 [= 4.(Stug)/Pz.Jg.Abt.]
[other spelling of von Rakowitz, later KC holder with FEB 4 (L)]
The Pz.Jg.Abt. Lw.Feld.Div. 15 had a three cops. structure with an additional 4.(Stug) ; von Rakowitz, KC and von Rackowitsch, DKiG for sure is the same man.
Meindl, Eugen, 27.07.1942, Generalmajor, Kdr. Lw.Div. Meindl
listed with the date per P/S ; this date is confirmed per Schertzer, RKT
Maaß, Willi, 12.12.1943, Hauptmann, I./Lw.Feld-Div 6
has to be solid like that ; the Lw.Feld-Divs started with four battalions (a few with three) without a staff.
I knew there is something about Maaß but I wasn't able to find a good intro, my apology !
Evaluation of the thread shows that he was treated twice and the date "20.03.1944" was/has to be ruled out nowadays :
re-check on [page 115] , data per Scheibert , by Shawn
not with the Heer, so, no potential double award ; unit not known at that times
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7#p1143407
first and early re-check on [page 58] , data per Scherzer's unit pdf , by Jan-Hendrik
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1065600

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Post by Bernd R » 06 Dec 2008, 12:08

Thanks Jordi, I've corrected that ! / Bernd

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Post by Bernd R » 08 Dec 2008, 18:48

crossed out from Kampfgruppen "raw data" as he is listed already with XXIV. Pz.Korps
Hebeker, Ernst, 05.11.1944, Hauptmann, Kampfgruppe XXIV.Pz.K. / EBS
I have added a number of units/recipients (listed throughout the sections) to the Osttruppen [page 58].

new entry in the Sicherungstruppen section [page 21]
Brigade Jesser
also called Schnelle Brigade Jesser ; = Sicherungs-Brigadestab (mot) 74
* June 1944 at Montargis/France ; / MilBefh. Frankreich
fightings with Maquisards , massif central , Mont Mouchet ; June-July 44

background / for further info :
German forces in Auvergne 1940-1944
RKT Generalmajor Curt v. Jesser
grave of a soldier from the Aserbaidschanische Legion :
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1266062

German Cross in Gold (2)
Burggraf, Josef, 16.10.1944, Oberleutnant d.R., Aserbeidsch.Legion/Frw.Stamm-Rgt. 2 / Freiwilligen-Stamm-Division / Brig. Jesser [to be confirmed ] / OB West
Loew, Friedrich, 13.01.1945, Oberfeldwebel, 2./Aufkl.Abt. (mot) 1000

Army Honor Roll Clasp (1)
Werner, Kurt, 00.00.1945, Leutnant d.R., 3./Sich.Rgt. (mot) 1010
new entry in the Lw Kommandobehörden section [page 82]
Luftwaffen-Kommando Don
[formed 26 Aug 1942 in Charkow from I. Fl.-Korps, for connected operation with HGr. Don ; 1 Apr (17 Feb ?] renamed again I. Fl.-K.]
background / for further info :
Italian 8th Army - Defense of Kantemirovka and Rossosh

Knight's Cross
Geisler, Kurt 24.01.1943 Hauptmann Kdr Lufttransportgruppe Don [= Transportgruppe Lw.Kdo. Don]
Held, Felix 03.04.1943 Leutnant (Kr.O.) Zugführer i. d. 1./Fl.Ers.Btl. Lw.Kdo. Don
[= Lw-Btl. Borispol ; MIA 19.01.43 Flugplatz Kantemirovka-Süd]

Kampfgruppe Tyroller
Tyroller, Georg 23.12.1942 Oberstleutnant Kdr le.Flak-Abt 84 u. Führer der Kgr. Tyroller [Flugplatz Kantemirovka-Süd]


German Cross in Gold
Greiff von, Kurt, 06.01.1943, Major i.G., Stab/Lw.Kdo. Don (?)
Korten, Günther, 29.12.1942, Generalleutnant, OB Lw.Kdo. Don
Schroth, Hans-Hermann, 01.02.1943, Major i.G., Stab/Lw.Kdo. Don
the DKiG holders might need a re-check with P/S.
This won't be the final version I guess. Flak-Rgt 153 (Kurt Andersen) with its Flak-Abt. is to add. Kgr. Tyroller is said to have been consisting of 65 units. I also tend to have double listings lateron, the big one with the headquarter above and separate with the ground troops / Flak / etc. Shouldn't be bad to start with a base here.

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Re: Awardholders / unit

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Post by Bernd R » 08 Dec 2008, 18:55

Wilco, help please ! What are the data for the following DKiG holders per P/S ?
Ludowig von, Gerhard, 19.12.1941, Major, Sich.Btl. 163
Schulzki, Otto, 09.04.1943, Uffz., 1./Sich.Btl. 161
Schulzi is listed -> "Sich.Abt." per Scheibert. Was changed to Btl. once by me and shifted to the Sicherungstruppen. Eventually indeed a unit of 61. ID , Schnelle Abt. perhaps ?
I can't find those two Sicherungs-Bataillone :roll:

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Post by W.Vermeer » 09 Dec 2008, 13:07

Greiff von, Kurt, 06.01.1943, Major i.G., Stab/Lw.Kdo. Don (?)
Korten, Günther, 29.12.1942, Generalleutnant, OB Lw.Kdo. Don
Schroth, Hans-Hermann, 01.02.1943, Major i.G., Stab/Lw.Kdo. Don
Patzwall/Scherzer give the same data on these three

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Post by W.Vermeer » 09 Dec 2008, 13:13

Ludowig von, Gerhard, 19.12.1941, Major, Sich.Btl. 163
Schulzki, Otto, 09.04.1943, Uffz., 1./Sich.Btl. 161
Ludowig has the same data in Patzwall/Scherser, however Patzwall/Scherzer give for Schulzki the 1. / Sicherungs-Abteilung 161.

Both versions, as Abteilung or as Bataillon I can not find anywhere. Looking at sources on the 61.Infanterie-Division, there is indeed in mentioning of a Schnelle-Abteilung 161 in 1942. Until now I have only been able to find a Flak-Abteilung 163, a Feld-Ersatz-Bataillon 163 (3.Marine-Infanterie-Division) and Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 163:
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... t163-R.htm

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