Awardholders / unit

[W.Vermeer]

Is Willy Fey an official DKiG recipient or not ? Can't find an approval for him , though in the book of Krätschmer is stated : "The Commander of s.SS-PzAbt.102 SS-Ostubaf. Weiss noticed that Fey was the most succesfull Panzercommander of his Battalion and had nominated him for the DKiG. . SS-Ogruf. Bittrich presented him the DKiG on 15-09 1944"

Willy Fey is not mentioned in one of the volumes of Patzwall's DKiG recipients and until now there has not been found historical evidence of him actually receiving the decoration. Also his knight Cross is questionable. During his postwar service he was known as a "recognized" RK recipient in the Bundeswehr (he actually wore the 1957 version and ribbon), but there is also of that one no conclusive evidence to my knowledge. His RK was however rcognized by the OdR (for what its worth).

[Bernd R]

Per the up-coming Mike Miller CD on W-SS and Police KC Holders (manuscript at hand) he didn't receive it. (several sources and references evaluated)
Btw, concerning the KC, see full text now regarding the legality on [page 56] ; under header "Verteidigungsbereich Berlin", with a AHF thread linked.

/ Bernd

[Bernd R]

Speaking of difficult cases, but speaking even of an extraordinary case,
Wilco, I am curious what P/S say or not say about the DKiG :

Sachs, [first name not listed], 00.02.1945, Volkssturm-Btl.Fhr. i. Bereich d. 17. Armee

because he is the Volkssturm-Bataillonsführer (Btl. Hindenburg/Oberschlesien ?) who invented the story of Hitlerjunge Nowak. And his own story, which "earned" him the DKiG.
See : http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ilit=Nowak

In the field of "de jure" and "de facto" and in the retrospective judgement and classification all thinkable variants should be possible here !?

At the end of the day the question is also what do we say for the project/listing. Or in other words what to compile for a complete and clear coverage of this award.
A listing with a respective note will do it I think.

regards
Bernd :roll:

[W.Vermeer]

Speaking of difficult cases, but speaking even of an extraordinary case,
Wilco, I am curious what P/S say or not say about the DKiG :
Sachs, [first name not listed], 00.02.1945, Volkssturm-Btl.Fhr. i. Bereich d. 17. Armee

because he is the Volkssturm-Bataillonsführer (Btl. Hindenburg/Oberschlesien ?) who invented the story of Hitlerjunge Nowak. And his own story, which "earned" him the DKiG.
See : http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ilit=Nowak

In the field of "de jure" and "de facto" and in the retrospective judgement and classification all thinkable variants should be possible here !?

At the end of the day the question is also what do we say for the project/listing. Or in other words what to compile for a complete and clear coverage of this award.
A listing with a respective note will do it I think.

This Sachs is not mentioned in any of the two volumes of P/S. Question here is what are the documented first hand sources to prove his awarding.

[Jan-Hendrik]

A correction for AOK 8 – this soldier’s award is a German Cross in Silver not a DKiG:

Badenhop, Karl, 22.10.1943, Oberst, Armee-Pionierführer AOK 8

Best regards,
Shawn

Hm, the Kriegsrangliste of AOK 8 gives as "Bemerkung" 3.11.43 as date for his DKiS....

Jan-Hendrik

[Bernd R]

Hm, first check, does it, by chance, give different dates for these, too ?

KC: Speidel, Hans Dr. phil. 01.04.1944 Generalleutnant Chef d. Gen.St. 8. Armee
DKiS: Schöne, Volkmar, 24.12.1943, Oberst i.G., OQu AOK 8

/ Bernd

[Jan-Hendrik]

As I have only the KrRgL for 2nd half of 1943: second yes, with exactly this data, first one nothing.

Jan-Hendrik

[Bernd R]

Thanks, J-H, I've taken the nearest in time, no other of AOK 8 in 43. Then - the usual P/S against Scheibert check, Wilco ?

/ Bernd

[Jan-Hendrik]

I am getting old :roll:

Yes, I have the next KrRgL, too, Bemerkung for Speidel:
1.1.44 zum Generalleutnant befördert, 1.4.44 Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes

Jan-Hendrik

[Bernd R]

old + plus old = young , forum rule #1
what would be quite interesting (first half 44 then) is, if they had the Ofw. and the Romanian award, too.

Romanian Order of Michael the Brave, 2nd Class (Orden “Michael der Tapfere” II. Klasse) (1)
Wöhler, Otto, Königl. Dekret Nr. 1072 / 30.05.1944, Gen. d. Inf., OB AOK 8

Armee-Truppen :
Knight's Cross (1)
Rogalski, Franz 17.03.1944 Oberfeldwebel Stoßtruppführer im Sturm-Btl AOK 8

/ Bernd

[Bernd R]

RE: "grab bag" [page 105]

listed per Scheibert :

DKiG : Krause, Rudolf, 08.05.1945, Leutnant d.R., HJ-Gebietsfhr. 5

confirmed / mentioned anywhere else ?

/ Bernd

[W.Vermeer]

USAF1986 wrote:
A correction for AOK 8 – this soldier’s award is a German Cross in Silver not a DKiG:

Badenhop, Karl, 22.10.1943, Oberst, Armee-Pionierführer AOK 8

Best regards,
Shawn

Hm, the Kriegsrangliste of AOK 8 gives as "Bemerkung" 3.11.43 as date for his DKiS....

Jan-Hendrik

P/S gives the date of 22nd October 1943 too. Was 3rd perhaps the "Vorschlag"

[W.Vermeer]

DKiS: Schöne, Volkmar, 24.12.1943, Oberst i.G., OQu AOK 8

P/S gives 24th December 1943

[W.Vermeer]

DKiG : Krause, Rudolf, 08.05.1945, Leutnant d.R., HJ-Gebietsfhr. 5

P/S have the same data.

[Bernd R]

To get back to a working mode here is a series of edit concerning the handling of the recent points and a number of add&corr done also.

RE: Weihse / Weisse , DKiG ; 45. ID [page 49]
edited data set with note :

Weihse, Helmuth, 23.02.1944, Hauptmann, 9./Gren.Rgt. 133
[name: Weihse per P/S, DKiG , Weisse per Korpstagesbefehl Nr. 8, XXXV. AK v. 3. März 44]

with regard to the date - gem.F.S. OKH/PA/P5/1.Staffel Nr. 1001/44 v. 24.2.44 - I stick to my previous argumentation -> Hypothesis : the Fernschreiben might be one day later, refering to 23.02. ; therefore the Tagesbefehl, too.

RE: Badenhop , DKiS ; AOK 8 [page 80]
edited data set :

Badenhop, Karl, 22.10.1943 [per P/S, DKiS] (03.11.1943 per Kriegsrangliste AOK 8), Oberst, Armee-Pionierführer AOK 8

RE: Sachs, Volkssturm, DKiG ; AOK 17 [page 80]
hm, no decent reflections/answers yet ; on the "workbench" for now ; edited data set with note :

Sachs, [first name not listed], 00.02.1945, Volkssturm-Btl.Fhr. i. Bereich d. 17. Armee
[he is the Volkssturm-Bataillonsführer (Btl. Hindenburg/Oberschlesien ?) who invented the story of Hitlerjunge Nowak. And his own story, which "earned" him the DKiG. See : http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ilit=Nowak ; listing preliminary until final research (documentation ?) and note is done]

food for thoughts : shouldn't he to be categorated the same like Nowak ?

RE: DKiG : Krause, Rudolf, 08.05.1945, Leutnant d.R., HJ-Gebietsfhr. 5
thanks Wilco, interesting to see this last day award confirmed.


Best regards
Bernd