Awardholders / unit

[Bernd R]

Thanks Wilco !
V.S., "RKT", has it :
* 17.03.1895 Bad Kissingen
+ 28.04.1945 -> Gatow/Berlin als Verb.Offz. der Lw zum stellv. III. AK u. Fliegerführer Berlin
(Gatow, the airfield a bit outside Berlin ; today Bw museum)

/ Bernd

[Bernd R]

Supplement : added to the HJ units / recipients section on [page 56]

Knight's Cross of the War Merit Cross
HJ-Gebietsführer [Sachsen] (Stabsführer der HJ , Stellvertreter des Reichsjugendführers) Helmut Möckel 11.02.1945 mS

/ Bernd

[Marcus]

I received the below in an email:

Gentlemen,

you mention my father Ferdinand Müller in your
Awards and decorations, Holders of the German Cross in Gold.

Correction:

Your data: Müller, Ferdinand, 09.10.1942, Leutnant, 2./Pz.Art.Rgt. 33
correct it would be: Müller, Ferdinand, 09.10.1942, Oberleutnant, 1./Pz.Art.Rgt. 33

/Marcus

[Bernd R]

I'm in contact with Herr Müller and we are on the way to solve this.

The late war story of Ferdinand Müller could be clarified to a high extent, see here
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=154526

/ Bernd

[copiloto]

Good afternoon.
It seems that we have missed one träger der Ehrenblattspange from the 57. Infanteri-Division:
Josef Schmidt; 1-3-1942; No more data available of this award
Source:
http://www.ww2awards.com/person/17747

At least, I haven't been able to find him in the forum.

Best regards.
Jordi

[Bernd R]

Hi Jordi !

hm, we have him listed - 57. ID [page 12] - with the Anerkennungsurkunde.

KC : Schmidt, Josef 31.01.1943 Oberst Kdr Gren.Rgt 199 „List“
DKiG : Schmidt, Josef, 26.12.1941, Major, I./Inf.Rgt. 199 “List”
AU : Schmidt, Josef, 01.03.1942 (753), Major, Kdr. I./Inf.Rgt. 199 "List"

open to the proof of something different as always.

If I'm correct there were items from him in a 2009 Hermann Historica auction. Wilco (?)
I have just requested a new login there as I forgot my password..

Best regards
Bernd

[Bernd R]

Another question. German Cross in Gold recipient

Bodenhausen Freiherr von, Hans, 30.05.1942, Oberstleutnant i.G., Kampfgruppe Cholm
[= Ic Kgr.]

of Kampfgruppe Scherer (Cholm) was one of the few officers "i.G." "d.R." ! (?)
If there are no objections I will add this detail.

/ Bernd

[W.Vermeer]

hm, we have him listed - 57. ID [page 12] - with the Anerkennungsurkunde.

KC : Schmidt, Josef 31.01.1943 Oberst Kdr Gren.Rgt 199 „List“
DKiG : Schmidt, Josef, 26.12.1941, Major, I./Inf.Rgt. 199 “List”
AU : Schmidt, Josef, 01.03.1942 (753), Major, Kdr. I./Inf.Rgt. 199 "List"

open to the proof of something different as always.

If I'm correct there were items from him in a 2009 Hermann Historica auction. Wilco (?)
I have just requested a new login there as I forgot my password..

That is correct Bernd, I have copied the items for sale there and his Ehrenblattspange was among the for sale items. The Ehrenblattspange was a direct result of the anerkennungsurkunde.

[W.Vermeer]

Another question. German Cross in Gold recipient
Bodenhausen Freiherr von, Hans, 30.05.1942, Oberstleutnant i.G., Kampfgruppe Cholm
[= Ic Kgr.]
of Kampfgruppe Scherer (Cholm) was one of the few officers "i.G." "d.R." ! (?)
If there are no objections I will add this detail.

P/S indeed states him ad Oberstleutnant der Reserve im Generalstab

[Bernd R]

RE: Josef Schmidt, Gren.Rgt. 199 "List"

Thanks Wilco. An exception ? Isn't this out of the regulations ?
Unfortunately I couldn't find the items on the auction house site (56. and 57. Auktion) ; was an older auction then (?).

/ Bernd

[W.Vermeer]

RE: Josef Schmidt, Gren.Rgt. 199 "List"

Thanks Wilco. An exception ? Isn't this out of the regulations ?
Unfortunately I couldn't find the items on the auction house site (56. and 57. Auktion) ; was an older auction then (?).

I do not know which auction it has been. The awarding of the Ehrenblattspang together with an Anerkennungsurkunde was as far as I know not very uncommon. Dörr's book show several.

[Bernd R]

Hi Wilco,

I see, thanks. I believe it, no problem with the reality.. Nevertheless I'm a bit irritated about this case as well as about other cases I checked in the meantime. The worst case scenario is that we eventually would do better to check hundreds of Ehrenblatt / Anerkennungsurkunde cases again. Shouldn't be bad to have a fundamental clarifiying first about those awards.

btw., this is a posthumous award (presentation) of the "Spange" ; KIA 1943, clasp instituted 1944.

According to the regulations as far as I have understood them, those men who received the "Anerkennungsurkunde des Oberbefehlshabers des Heeres" (later Führer/Hitler), but were NOT named in the "Ehrenblatt des Deutschen Heeres", did not receive the Ehrenblattspange.

Whereas the other variation is, that those men named in the "Ehrenblatt" and additionally received the "Anerkennungsurkunde", recieved the clasp of course.

On base of that :
Josef Schmidt must have been named in the "Ehrenblatt" once.


If it helps I could post two cases where the situation is somewhat confusing, too.
The kind of difficulty in understanding might be based and connected also to the available information provided in the secondary literature. (!?)


/ Bernd

[W.Vermeer]

According to the regulations as far as I have understood them, those men who received the "Anerkennungsurkunde des Oberbefehlshabers des Heeres" (later Führer/Hitler), but were NOT named in the "Ehrenblatt des Deutschen Heeres", did not receive the Ehrenblattspange.

Whereas the other variation is, that those men named in the "Ehrenblatt" and additionally received the "Anerkennungsurkunde", recieved the clasp of course.

On base of that :
Josef Schmidt must have been named in the "Ehrenblatt" once.

Absolutely correct.

[Bernd R]

Fine, I will add the EBS then, thanks !
Maybe we can come back on this aspect again at a later time, especially if cases arise with a potentially incomplete or wrong listing.

/ Bernd

[Bernd R]

Going on with a few things done and solved.

Slightly edited entry done for :

Division Nr. 402 / 402. Infanterie-Division
[with the "Gneisenau" call, 20 Jan 1945 -> Einsatz-Division]

Oakleaves (1)
Borchardt, Helmut 14.04.1945 [828. EL] Oberfeldwebel Fhr Kp. "Borchardt" im Rgt "Kohlmann" (402. Inf.Div)
[ / X. SS-AK / Pz.AOK 3 / HGr. Weichsel ; for actions in the barrage line west of Festung Schneidemühl near Schloppe (poln.: Czlopa)]

Not listed with Festung Schneidemühl [page 56], as not part of the (inner) Festung troops.

[source: Biblio KC series, Infanterie]

/ Bernd