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Re: additions and corrections for 6. and 19. Panzer-Division

Post by Bernd R » 01 Jun 2007 10:32

Shawn, thanks for Dörr re-check !

Add & corr for 6. and 19. PD is in work. Let's make a choice about the below matter, please :
Jan-Hendrik wrote:6. PD :

Bäke is listed as swords holder Pz.Rgt 11 by V.S.

But regarding this discussion it would be more practical ro "run" sPzRgt. Bäke as an extension to 6th PD's list seperatly. Opinions? Jan-Hendrik

If I'm correct, Jeff made his statement already to cross Bäke out from the 6. PD list (?)
Jan-Hendrik, right understanding to cross him out and make a note / supplement at the end of the 6. PD KC list ?
I tend to this solution ; having him listed with the unit of his "Waffentat" = s.Pz.Rgt Bäke on [page 20]

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 01 Jun 2007 11:09

Yes, indeed ! That would be the most pratical/logical solution to keep the lists "straigth".

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Post by USAF1986 » 01 Jun 2007 14:44

While researching the 116. Panzer-Division in Scheibert, I found these award holders that should be counted with the 16. Infanterie / Panzergrenadier-Division (page 47).

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German Cross in Gold
Fröhling, Dipl.Ing. Walter, 28.02.1942, Hptm. d.R., 3./Pi.Btl. 675 (mot)
Stahn, Kurt, 24.03.1943, Oblt., 3./Pi.Btl. 675 (mot)
Weißflog, Joachim, 28.04.1944, Lt., 2./Pz.Abt. 116 (Note: Based on the unit designation, I believe this is a late award of the 16. Pz.Gren.Div., not a 116. Pz.Div. award.)

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Post by USAF1986 » 01 Jun 2007 14:48

Here are the recipients of the German Cross in Gold/Silver and Close Combat Clasp in Gold who received their awards while assigned to the 116. Panzer-Division.

As always, additions/corrections would be most appreciated!

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SOURCES:
• Dörr, Manfred. Die Träger der Nahkampfspange in Gold: Heer, Luftwaffe, Waffen-SS – 1943-1945. Biblio Verlag, Bisendorf, Germany, 2006.
• Scheibert, Horst. Die Träger des Deutschen Kreuzes in Gold (Das Heer). Podzun-Pallas Verlag, Friedberg, Germany, 1983.
• Scheibert, Horst. Die Träger des Deutschen Kreuzes in Gold (Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, Waffen-SS) und Deutschen Kreuzes in Silber (Heer, Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, Waffen-SS). Podzun-Pallas Verlag, Friedberg, Germany, no date.

116. Panzer-Division

German Cross in Gold
Achter, Michael, 28.08.1944, Owm., 7./Pz.Art.Rgt. 146
Battermann, Burchard, 13.01.1945, Ofw., 2./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Bunzel, Hans, 08.02.1945, Lt., 3./Pz.Rgt. 16
Carstensen, Wilhelm, 30.11.1944, Major, II./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 60
Eisenmenger, Kunibert, 28.06.1944, Wm., 1./Pz.Art.Rgt. 146
Esch, Jakob, 20.01.1945, Ogefr., 3./Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 116
Faber, Nikolaus, 21.07.1944, Owm., 3./Pz.Art.Rgt. 146
Gerke, Heinrich, 29.01.1945, Hptm. d.R., II./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Grollmann, Heinrich, 22.12.1944, Obstlt., Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Hechelmann, Dr. Heinrich, 08.02.1945, Oberarzt d.R., I./Pz.Rgt. 16
Heiberger, Kurt, 20.01.1945, Oblt. d.R., 1./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Henze, Erwin, 10.08.1944, Fw. d.R., 4./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 60
Herrmann, Otto, 27.04.1945, Owm., 6./Pz.Art.Rgt. 146
Kroll, Bernhard, 09.03.1945, Hptm., I.(gp)/Pz.Gren.Rgt. 60
Lauer, Erich, 27.04.1945, Ofw. d.R., 7./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Lehmkämper, Wilhelm, 28.04.1945, Hptm. d.R., 9./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Müller, Gerhard, 28.06.1944, Hptm. d.R., II./Pz.Art.Rgt. 146
Müller, Rolf, 27.04.1945, Ofw., 2./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Nagel, Helmut, 30.11.1944, Hptm., I./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 60
Pichler, Josef, 08.11.1944, Ofw., 5./Pz.Rgt. 16
Roth, August, 20.01.1945, Uffz., 3./Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 116
Schalon, Wilhelm, 20.01.1945, Lt., 7./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 60
Schliep, Jürgen, 22.12.1944, Rittm., 1./Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 116
Tiemann, Wilhelm, 21.07.1944, Owm., 2./Pz.Art.Rgt. 146
Voigt, Gerhard, 27.04.1945, Hptm., Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Weber, Franz, 23.11.1944, Ofw., Stb.Kp./Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 116
Weis, Hans, 30.11.1944, Ofw., 1./Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 116
Werner, Artur, 13.01.1945, Ofw. d.R., 2./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 60
Winter, Hans, 28.02.1945, Hptm., I./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156

German Cross in Silver
Hartung, Karl, 26.12.1944, Major, Stb./116.Pz.Div.
Sollmann, Peter-Kurt, 29.04.1945, Hptm., Vers. Kp. I./(Panther) Pz.Rgt. 16

Close Combat Clasp in Gold
Esch, Jakob, 12.12.1944, Ogefr. Kp.Melder 3./Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 116
Winter, Hans, 24.12.1944, Hptm., Btl.Kdr. I./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156

Army Honor Roll Clasp
Bayer, Johannes, 05.03.1945, Oberst, Pz.Rgt. 16
Klein, August, 25.03.1945, Ofw., 5./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Pean, Ernst, 05.06.1944, Oberst, Art.Rgt. 146
Pichler, Josef, 25.03.1945, Fhj.Ofw., 5./Pz.Rgt. 16
Schmeermann, Heinrich, 27.11.1944, Hptm., III./Pz.AR 146
Schneider, Paul, 00.00.1945, Hptm., I./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 156
Stephan, Eberhard, 25.12.1944, Major, Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 116
Tebbe, Gerhard, 00.00.1945, Major, I.(Panther)/Pz.Rgt. 16

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Post by Bernd R » 01 Jun 2007 18:53

RE : add & corr 6. and 19. Pz.Div
done all this according to the recent discussions and re-checks.
Including the origin Bäke hint by Jeff. Thanks, all ! :D
6. Pz.Div KC list with note on Bäke [page 8] , other major awards [page 31] ; s.Pz.Rgt Bäke [page 20]
19. Pz.Div KC list [page 9] , other major awards [page 35] ; 19. Inf.Div seperately [page 9]

RE : 321. , 323. and 333. Inf.Div lists on [page 58] with Div.Grp issues
handled, see notes there.
Is there an award date for DKiG recipient Hintzsche, Shawn ?

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Post by USAF1986 » 01 Jun 2007 19:23

Bernd,

My oversight - Hintzsche's award date is 21.11.1943.

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Post by Bernd R » 01 Jun 2007 23:46

additions

12. Panzer-Division KC list [page 8]
Schlang, Wilhelm 22.08.1943 Feldwebel Zugführer i. d. 2./Pz.Jäg.Abt 2

Fallschirm-Panzergrenadier-Division 2 „HG“ KC list [page 27]
Richter, Hans-Heinrich 26.03.1945 Hauptmann Kdr Fsch-Pz.Aufkl.Abt 2 „HG“
[NKiG : 00.12.1944 Hauptmann Kp.Fhr im Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 16 (Ost)]

listed in accordance with Scherzer and Fellgiebel ;
This recipients KC is a variant showing nearly all aspects which we can see concerning the question wether the award is confirmed or questionable :
No proof in Bundesarchiv – Scherzer is listing him, taking over the entry by Fellgiebel, because it was impossible to find any sources which would allow a 100% Yes or No. It is to notice that most of the “HG” recipients with award date 26.03.1945 are confirmed by sources beyond the official BA files (?) Anyone who knows more about Richter ?
And, remarkable : Richter is obviously not mentioned in any work Shawn is citing for his compilation of “HG” KC holders on [page 20] -> Bender, Kurowski, Otte ! ?

added Hintzsche date, thanks Shawn

added KC lists Festung Brest and Festung Breslau [page 56]

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Post by USAF1986 » 02 Jun 2007 04:09

A German Cross in Gold addition for the 98. Infanterie-Division:

Hofmann, Karl, 01.02.1945, Oblt., 5./Gren.Lehr-Rgt. 117

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Post by Bernd R » 02 Jun 2007 14:04

RE : 98. Inf.Div : added DKiG recipient Hofmann, Karl , Gren.Lehr-Rgt 117

RE : 385. and 387. Inf.Div [page 58]
handled ; as stated already by Shawn the "transfering aroung" here is a bit complicated ; see notes there

While researching the award holders of the 387. Inf.Div.. I came across this German Cross in Gold holder with a very late award date:

Neuenhaus, Friedrich-Peter, 31.01.1945, Hptm., III./Gren.Rgt. 542

I presume this soldier should be counted under the 258. Inf.Div. Any thoughts on this issue would be much appreciated!

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RE : hm, we need a proof here ; preliminary listed with 258. Inf.Div [page 46], marked red
387. ID was disbanded on 13.03.1944 and the remnants were incorporated into 258. ID ;
III./GR 542 is a unusual Btl as part of Rgt.Grp due to most of the 3rd btls have been dissolved before ; so, it could be a very late award for GR 542 / 387. ID , too (?)
To the 258. ID list we added a NKiG recipient with a jan 1945 award ; note in brackets : "Auffangstab Königsbrück" -> any connection / the same for Neuenhaus ?

RE : 16. Pz.Gren.Div additions [pages 58 , 59]
added to the lists on [page 47]

RE : 4. and 6. Feld-Div (L) additions [page 58]
Thanks, Jan-Hendrik for starting to complete this section !
12. and 21. Div lists shifted from [page 17] ; all on [page 18] now !
Full match for KCs ; DKiG and EBS recipients added.

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Post by Bernd R » 02 Jun 2007 16:03

USAF1986 wrote: Other Ski Units

German Cross in Gold
Bachmeier, Ludwig, 03.02.1943, Maj. d.R., Ski-Btl. 387 / 387. ID [page 58]
Graupe, Walter, 30.09.1944, Oblt., 1./Ski-Btl. 82 / 7. Geb.Div [page 46]
Hett, Erich, 09.07.1942, Hptm. d.R., Ski-Btl. Schlebrügge
Hißner, Alfred, 12.08.1944, Oblt., 4./Ski-Btl. 82 / 7. Geb.Div
Oertel, Kurt, 14.02.1943, Lt., Ski-Kp./Gren.Rgt. 453 / 253. ID [page 57]
Riechert, Heini, 29.05.1943, Oblt., Ski-Btl. 157 / ??
Schuberth, Adam, 12.08.1944, Ofw., 2./Ski-Btl. 82 / 7. Geb.Div
Todeschini von, Guido, 08.01.1943, Oblt., Ski-Btl. Schlebrügge

Army Honor Roll Clasp
Baecker, Lothar, 07.01.1943, Lt., Ski-Kp./Gren.Rgt. 332 / 197. ID, no EBS list yet
Mocken, Aloys, 26.01.1943, Oblt., Ski-Kp./Gren.Rgt. 184 / 86. ID, no EBS list yet


This supplement [page 22] to 1.Skijäger-Div/Brig is nearly done in the meantime. See notes above where these recipients are listed.

I have added Ski-Bataillon Schlebrügge / Heerestruppe to the Ski lists on [page 11]

Riechert, Ski-Btl 157 is still open. No confirmation found for 57. Inf.Div.
Another possibility : 157. Reserve-Division, transfered to the French Alps, Grenoble, Gap, Aix-le-Bains region.
Another fine research issue of the few which are open :wink:


restructuring
12. Pz.Div [page 8] : 2. Inf.Div (mot) listed separately now.
13. Pz.Div [page 12] : 13. Inf.Div (mot) listed separately now.

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9. Panzer-Division addition

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 03 Jun 2007 14:05

Knight’s Cross : to add
Grüner, Georg 25.11.1941 Oberleutnant Chef 1./Pz.Rgt 33

of note :
Gauglitz, Joseph is9. Panzer-Division addition listed as Fhr III./Pz.Rgt 33 as well
Knotzer, Josef : Fhr einer Kampfgruppe der 9. Pz.Div

German Cross in Gold : to add
Baeßler, Johannes 08.01.1943 Generalmajor 9. Pz.Div
Fritz, Wilhelm 24.12.1941 Hauptmann 3./Fla-Btl 47

Ehrenblattspange : to add
Fromm, Ernst 19.08.1941 Oberleutnant 2./Pz.Rgt 33

Source:

Veit Scherzer's PDF on 9.PD

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Post by Mark V. » 03 Jun 2007 14:57

So Gauglitz is now definitely confirmed as Pz.Rgt.33 KC-holder?

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Post by Bernd R » 03 Jun 2007 15:37

Marko wrote back in september 2006 :
...Another such case from our list is Gauglitz from Pz.Rgt.23. Listed by das-ritterkreuz as Fhr. III./Pz.Rgt.33 but in Federl as Fhr. III./Pz.Rgt.23/9.Pz.Div. Obviously the latter doesn't go together. Further checking up in the 23.Pz.Div.'s history confirms that his KC actions occurred while leading III./Pz.Rgt.23 on 23.2.1943. Furthermore he was in December 1944 Kdr. Stu.Pz.Abt.217, which was subordinated to 9.Pz.Div. so this explains the discrepancy (III./Pz.Rgt.23/9.Pz.Div.)...

Additional pieces from my side :
KC : 16.11.1944 Oberleutnant Führer III./Pz.Rgt 33 [Scherzer, 1st edition, page 305]
is it according to the 23. Divs history : KC action in feb 1943 and award nov 1944 ? :roll:

in addition Scherzer is giving the German Cross in Gold date : 30.12.1944
DKiG according to ww2.awards.com : Olt Sturm-Panzer.Abt 211 -> this must be a typo

Is it Sturm-Pz.Abt 217, which was attached as III./Pz.Rgt 33 / 9. Pz.Div ?
This would make the (official) KC files "III./Pz.Rgt 33" understandable (?)

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Post by Mark V. » 03 Jun 2007 18:42

Bernd R wrote:Marko wrote back in september 2006 :
...Another such case from our list is Gauglitz from Pz.Rgt.23. Listed by das-ritterkreuz as Fhr. III./Pz.Rgt.33 but in Federl as Fhr. III./Pz.Rgt.23/9.Pz.Div. Obviously the latter doesn't go together. Further checking up in the 23.Pz.Div.'s history confirms that his KC actions occurred while leading III./Pz.Rgt.23 on 23.2.1943. Furthermore he was in December 1944 Kdr. Stu.Pz.Abt.217, which was subordinated to 9.Pz.Div. so this explains the discrepancy (III./Pz.Rgt.23/9.Pz.Div.)...

Additional pieces from my side :
KC : 16.11.1944 Oberleutnant Führer III./Pz.Rgt 33 [Scherzer, 1st edition, page 305]
is it according to the 23. Divs history : KC action in feb 1943 and award nov 1944 ? :roll:


These dates are killing me - another typo!! It should be 23.02.1944 (not 1943). But, yes the divisional history claims he received the KC for his actions on that day, while leading the 3rd battalion. Incidentally it lists him in the recipient list as having received it on 25.01.1944, though probably also a typo as he is listed after Eisermann (23.12.1944) and before Kleemann (11.01.1945).

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Post by W.Vermeer » 03 Jun 2007 20:18

in addition Scherzer is giving the German Cross in Gold date : 30.12.1944
DKiG according to ww2.awards.com : Olt Sturm-Panzer.Abt 211 -> this must be a typo


Could very well be. The awarding of the DKiG is according to the CD-Rom of - Die Ordensträger der Deutschen Wehrmacht. By now I have found out that this source is not the most accurate one. On the website http://www.ww2awards.com it is still not checked with other sources. That is a process that is now being done for all DKiG recipients that came from the mentioned source.
So any secure information on that would be welcome here.

In Das Deutsches Kreuz 1941-1945 by Patzwall and Scherzer, the unit is mentioned as Sturm-Panzer.Abt 217, so that would be the most likely one I guess.

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