Fallschirmjäger RKTs - pics and career data

redline · Post by **redline** » 06 Jul 2004 13:48

FANGIO, how do you know it was picture of Willi Kroymanns? Maybe it is not him. Or maybe it's a fake (picture), a work of Photoshop's ace...

So, you have any FSJs with no date of their RK?

Regards,
redline

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 06 Jul 2004 14:06

Hi redline!
That pic was posted in http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com (forum). Maybe you're right, it's not Kroymanns.
Sorry, I forgott the list, I'm quite busy right now working. I'll bring it tomorrow.
Best regards.

FANGIO

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 06 Jul 2004 16:27

FANGIO wrote:
Oberstab wrote:Dear Fangio

look at the "Verleihungszeugnis".This is a fake !!!!
He never won the KC. Not in Fellgiebel !!

Oberstab
Many thanks Oberstab.
So the RK in the picture is a fake? A re-touched pic?
Regards.

FANGIO

Fangio,

this is a real pic, but made a long time after the war with an original uniform.
Look at the paper.
This is signed by Linnarz, who was in the HEERES-Personalamt.
But the "Fallschirm"-Truppe was part of the Luftwaffe, so the docunent has to come from the LUFTWAFFEN.Personalamt.
So, if you make a fake, please a fake with Luftwaffen-documents (if available).

Oberstab

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 06 Jul 2004 16:59

Thanks once again Oberstab.
Regards.

FANGIO

redline · Post by **redline** » 06 Jul 2004 17:02

If it's a real pic and Willi wasn't awarded RK, why he is wearing RK? This document could be a fake (like a document of Peiper's Swords), but it doesn't mean he was not awarded the RK, does it?

redline

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 06 Jul 2004 17:16

It' s hard work to convince you !!!
Look at the two pics: the left is a war-time pic, the other (with RK) is years later !!!
Why you couldn' t buy a KC and make a foto-document (and and award-document-fake) to gain big money from all researchers ??
BTW: to win the KC there are necessary "Vorschlag, Eingangsbuch, Verleihungsbestätigung" etc., all to be seen in the Bundesarchiv from nearly all of the other KC-winners.
But about Kroymanns there is absolutely nothing, only the fake-document.
Now convinced ?!?

Oberstab

redline · Post by **redline** » 06 Jul 2004 18:28

It's not so hard to convince me.

Do you think Kroymann bought RK and made this pic just to gain money from the researchers?
You use the words "nearly all of the other KC-winners". Why "nearly" and not "all"?
I wonder who made this fake document...

I'm not a great researcher and don't have an access to the archives. But "Bundesarchiv" sounds great, so I think I can beleive this. Actually I never disbelieve.

But thanks for your answer!

The conclusion: he was never received his RK and must be removed from RKTs on FSJ websites (I have no Kroymann in my RKT list). Is that so? Or there is a couple of percent that he was RKT?

Regards
redline

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 07 Jul 2004 12:49

More names to add to the list:

- Mj Fritz Prager
- Oblt Siegfried Rammelt
- Mj Ernst Willi Raprager
- Hptm Helmut Ringler
- Oblt Walter Sander
- Mj Gerhard Schacht
- Lt Horst Schimpke
- Mj Herbert Schmidt
- Obstlnt Werner Herbert Schmidt
- Oblnt Hubert Sniers
- Mj Albert Stecken
- Mj Edgar Stentzler
- Mj Kurt Stephani
- Hptm Günther Straehler-Pohl

redline · Post by **redline** » 07 Jul 2004 17:50

Here we are:

1. Prager Fritz - Hauptmann - II./Fallsch.J.Rgt. 1 - 24. Mai 1940
2. Rammelt Siegrfied- Leutnant - Stabskp./Fallsch.J.Rgt. 3 - 9. Juni 1944
3. Rapräger Dr. jur. Ernst-Wilhelm - Oberleutnant - Luftwaffen-Rgt. "Barenthin" - 10. Mai 1943
4. Ringler Helmut - Leutnant - Fallsch.Sturm-Abt. "Koch" - 15. Mai 1940
5. Sander Walter - Leutnant d.Res. - 1./Fallsch.Pi.Btl. 5 - 28. Februar 1945
6. Schacht Gerhard - Leutnant - Fallsch.J.Sturmabt. "Koch" - 12. Mai 1940
7. Lt Horst Schimpke ?????
8. Schmidt Herbert - Oberleutnant - 1./Fallsch.J.Rgt. 1 - 24. Mai 1940
9. Schmidt Werner - Major - Fallsch.-MG-Btl. 1 - 5. April 1944
10. Sniers Hubert - Leutnant - 9./Fallsch.J.Rgt. 15 - 24. Oktober 1944
11. Stecken Albert - Major i.G. - 8. Fallsch.J.Div. - 28. April 1945
12. Stentzler Edgar - Major - II./Fallsch.J.Sturm-Rgt. - 9. Juli 1941
13. Stephani Kurt - Major - Fallsch.J.Rgt. 9 - 30. September 1944
14. Straehler-Pohl Günther - Hauptmann - II./Fallsch.J.Rgt. 3 - 10. Mai 1943

Who is Lt Horst Schimpke? Maybe he is not Schimpke? I didn't find him...

Regards,
redline

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 08 Jul 2004 13:51

Hi redline.
Thanks again for your help.
About Schimpke I really don't know who he is. Maybe it's Schimpcke?
Regards.

FANGIO

redline · Post by **redline** » 08 Jul 2004 15:51

Didn't find Schimpcke either...

The man who stay close is:

Schimpf Dipl.-Ing. Richard - Generalleutnant - 3. Fallsch.J.Div. - 6. Oktober 1944

But he is not Horst... And not the Lt.

Maybe we have another FSJ like Kroymanns, who was never been awarded RK?

Or his name was not Horst Schimpke...
Or my list isn't full.

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 08 Jul 2004 16:16

Look in the Fellgiebel-book. Here is Horst Schimpke:

Oberstab

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 08 Jul 2004 16:23

Great! thanks Oberstab!
Regards.

FANGIO

redline · Post by **redline** » 08 Jul 2004 17:37

Yeap, thanks Oberstab!

Looks like my list isn't full... That's bad!

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 13 Aug 2006 07:05

Looking for some fallschirmjäger RKTs pics please. I'll appreciate any help.

-Ofw Karl KOCH
-Hptm Heinz KRINK
-Ofw Otto MENGES
-Mj Gerhardt MERTENS (Was this a RKT? I can't find him at http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de )
-Hptm Gerhard MISCHKE
-Oblt Karl NEUHOFF
-Lt Heinrich ORTH
-Mj Gerhard PADE
-Gef Herbert PEITSCH
-Mj Fritz PRAGER
-Oblt Siegfried RAMMELT
-Mj Ernst Willi RAPRAGER
-Mj Martin SCHACHTER
-Mj Herbert SCHMIDT
-Obstlt Werner Herbert SCHMIDT (can't find this one either)
-Mj Albert STECKEN
-Mj Kurt STEPHANI
-Obstlt Karl Stephan TANNERT
-Mj Hans TEUSEN
-Oblt Viktor VITALI
-Lt Walter WERNER
-Lt Werner STEHLE

Best,

FANGIO

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