Generals in Odrau, 1938

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Generals in Odrau, 1938

Post by Stauffenberg II » 05 Apr 2004 18:38

Hi gentlemen!

From:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... gory=15504

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The caption says Rundstedt and Reichenau in Odrau (today: Odry), most probably 1938. I could identify Brauchitsch (right), Weidling (2nd from right, with the airship badge below the Iron Cross 1914) and Rundstedt (2nd from left). Is the guy far left really Reichenau? Or does the caption mix up Reichenau and Brauchitsch?

Looks a bit like Gen. d. Inf. Rudolf Schniewindt to me!

Many thanks in advance!

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Post by J.N. Houterman » 05 Apr 2004 22:47

Don't think it's Schniewindt, but don't have an alternative at the moment.

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Post by VJK » 06 Apr 2004 07:16

Hi Gentlemen!

I believe our mystery man is Johannes Blaskowitz.

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 06 Apr 2004 08:06

Thanks for your help so far!

Schniewindt is a strange guess, I know, but I don´t know how many generals were mobilized for the operations. Could very well be that it is not him.

Blaskowitz, hhmm. A fair guess.

Obviously you both agree that the left guy is not Reichenau?

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Post by VJK » 06 Apr 2004 09:09

Hi Stauffenberg II !

Yes, it's definitely not Reichenau.

Here are a couple of pics of Blaskowitz that show a good comparison.

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Post by Max Williams » 06 Apr 2004 10:00

Maybe I'm alone here, but the man on the left does not look like Blaskowitz to me.
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Apr 2004 10:09

Hi Max,
you are not alone. This not Blaskowitz !!
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Post by Stauffenberg II » 06 Apr 2004 10:09

Hi VJ!

Thanks for your help on this topic.

I´m little bit sorry to tell you that I´m not totally convinced old friend. :oops: :oops: At least I will place him in the caption instead of Reichenau.

Thanks again and a nice day! :)

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 06 Apr 2004 10:16

Thanks Max History and Oberstab. It´s most frustrating. AFAIK, if the caption is right regarding Odrau (Odry) this must be the sector of the mobilised 2nd Army (peace time unit: Heeresgruppe 1). Cdr.: Rundstedt. So Rundstedt is perfect, Brauchitsch is perfect, too.

Weidling was peace time Cdr. of the AR 20 (20. mot. ID), with Stab/AR 56. Provided that he still held this position and was not mobilised to hold a mob-function he was with his division. I have not a single detailed Order of Battle for the operations against the Czechs. Therefore can´t trace the guys with any documents.

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Post by VJK » 06 Apr 2004 16:25

Hi Stauffenberg II !

You'll find a detailed OOB for Fall Grün at this site.

http://www.geocities.com/kumbayaaa/gero ... x1938.html

You'll notice that 20. (mot.) ID came under Blaskowitz's 8. Armee, but I don't want to fly in the face of such determined opposition :wink:

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 06 Apr 2004 16:57

Hmmmh ... unfortunately Blaskowitz was Cdr. II. Armeekorps this time, taking over command from Bock (Heeresgruppe 3 - mob: 8. Armee) later in Nov., 1938. :D

But could well be that he took part. Be aware of the OoB of the Kumbaya-Page. Some of the units were not even set up at this date.

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Post by VJK » 06 Apr 2004 17:10

Hi!

Thanks for the tip re the OOBs. Who did command 8. Armee for Fall Grün? Was it actually formed?

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Post by J.N. Houterman » 06 Apr 2004 17:15

No Reichenau & no Blaskowitz! Could the one on the left perhaps be Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord?

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 06 Apr 2004 17:34

Hi VJK, Hans et al.!

VJK, see:
http://www.feldgrau.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10207

OKH (Brauchitsch, Beck)

- 2. Armee (Rundstedt, Salmuth) - from HGr. 1
- 8. Armee (Bock, Felber) - from HGr. 3
- 10. Armee (Reichenau, Bernard Kurt) - from HGr. 4
- 12. Armee* (Leeb, Manstein)
- 14. Armee (List, Ruoff) - from HGr. 5

- HGr. 2 (Adam, Apell Georg)
-- 1. Armee*
-- 5. Armee*
-- 7. Armee* (Seutter, Model)

- 3. Armee*
- 4. Armee*

5 peace units, 6 mob units (*)


I think the mob units were not activated apart from 12. Armee.

Hans, another fair guess. The guy looks so familiar. Would not rule it out. Maybe its a still unknown Div. Cdr. (Leyen comes to mind).

Regards!
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Post by Stauffenberg II » 06 Apr 2004 17:39

Actually by enlarging the pic I think that there is not a single bip on his shoulders, whereas the bips of Rundstedt and Brauchitsch are clearly visible. Therefore I think it´s a Generalmajor.

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