examples for: Blutorden & Ritterkreuz

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 26 Jun 2004 14:13

a VERY nice pic.

Two men named Josef Schmid received the Blood Order, one was a member of 6 Kp, II Bn, Bund Oberland and the other was at the Infanterieschule.

cheers
Pete

Reader3000 · Post by **Reader3000** » 26 Jun 2004 15:55

I have a more general question regarding the Blutorden: How many were decorated with it and why?

USAF1986 · Post by **USAF1986** » 26 Jun 2004 16:35

Tom,

Excellent information RE the Blood Order! I think we’ll find many of the regular Army and Luftwaffe officers who held this order were probably young cadets at the Infantry School in Munich as of 9 November 1923. For instance, “Beppo” Schmid was a Fähnrich the 19th (Bavarian) Infantry Regiment. He was detached to the Infantry School in Munich from 1 October 1922-15 November 1923 placing him in the situation you described in your post.

Best regards,
Shawn

USAF1986 · Post by **USAF1986** » 26 Jun 2004 17:13

Oberstab,

Hallo Shawn,

your holder of the Blutorden is an Oberstleutnant, but not the Generalleutnant (01.07.1944) Josef "Beppo" Schmid.
BTW: I never saw a pic of Beppo with Blutorden. Are you shure about this award presented to him ??

You are quite right: the Blood Order holder’s rank would exclude this being “Beppo” Schmid. The original photo caption (from The HG Panzer Division by Alfred Otte) states this is division commander Paul Conrath (on left) inspecting the reestablished Flak-Regiment at the Flak range Deep in March 1943. I wonder who this Blood Order holder is.

Best regards,
Shawn

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 26 Jun 2004 17:13

VJK wrote:Hi Oberstab!

Here's a pic of Schmid wearing the Blutorden.

Regards,

VJK

Fully convinced, VJK. Danke bestens !!

Oberstab

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 26 Jun 2004 18:15

USAF1986 wrote:Tom,

Excellent information RE the Blood Order! I think we’ll find many of the regular Army and Luftwaffe officers who held this order were probably young cadets at the Infantry School in Munich as of 9 November 1923. For instance, “Beppo” Schmid was a Fähnrich the 19th (Bavarian) Infantry Regiment. He was detached to the Infantry School in Munich from 1 October 1922-15 November 1923 placing him in the situation you described in your post.

Best regards,
Shawn

Hallo Tom and Shawn.

When cadets at the Infantry School in Munich, ordered to support the meanwhile collapsed Putsch, received the “Blutorden” without being able to fight for the “Bewegung”, I have still a problem with three other officers never being decorated with this “party award”:
These were in the Infanterie-Regiment 19 in Munich and refused to march out against the “Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch” for excution.

These were the later generals:
The old-Nazi and Generaloberst Eduard Dietl (* 21.07. 1890 Bad Aibling / Upper Bavaria, + 23.06.1944 near Hartberg / Steiermark), the General der Gebirgstruppe and “Schlächter (butcher) von Kalavrita“ Karl von Le Suire (* 08.11.1898 Unterwössen / Bavaria, + 18.06.1954 Hospital Stalingrad) and Josef Kammhuber (* 19.08.1896 Burgkirchen / Upper Bavaria, + 24.01.1986 Munich), at last 09.05.1961 with the Bundeswehr as the only Inspekteur einer Teilstreitkraft (Luftwaffe) promoted to Viersterne-General (for stars).
They never received the Blutorden, but ….
... there was also (the fourth officer) a later SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Waffen-SS und der Polizei (his name in the second volume of “Die Generale der Waffen-SS und der Polizei“ this year) involved, …. and he received the Blutorden !!

Oberstab

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 26 Jun 2004 18:30

USAF1986 wrote:Oberstab,

Hallo Shawn,

your holder of the Blutorden is an Oberstleutnant, but not the Generalleutnant (01.07.1944) Josef "Beppo" Schmid.
BTW: I never saw a pic of Beppo with Blutorden. Are you shure about this award presented to him ??
You are quite right: the Blood Order holder’s rank would exclude this being “Beppo” Schmid. The original photo caption (from The HG Panzer Division by Alfred Otte) states this is division commander Paul Conrath (on left) inspecting the reestablished Flak-Regiment at the Flak range Deep in March 1943. I wonder who this Blood Order holder is.

Best regards,
Shawn

Shawn,

I think this is Friedrich Meyer, later "Meyer-Schewe", at last Oberst and KC 09.05.1945.
The pic is from Franz Kurowski "Fallschirmpanzerkorps 'Hermann Göring'" (Biblio-Verlag).

Cheers
Oberstab

USAF1986 · Post by **USAF1986** » 26 Jun 2004 23:16

Oberstab,

Excellent information, thank you!

Here’s another Blood Order holder: Walter Staudinger of the Waffen-SS. Note the German Cross in Gold and Bulgarian Bravery Order, 3rd Class (1st Grade) worn in one of the photos. I don’t know too much about him other than he commanded the artillery battalion and later regiment of the LSSAH, 1940-43.

Best regards,
Shawn

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 27 Jun 2004 19:53

I think this is Friedrich Meyer, later "Meyer-Schewe", at last Oberst and KC 09.05.1945.

Maybe out of topic but:
Why "later Meyer-Schewe"? I don´t understand. How can you change your last name? Was this common? I think I've read other examples but I always wondered how could they change their names? Was this legal?
Please any help.
Best regards.

FANGIO

USAF1986 · Post by **USAF1986** » 27 Jun 2004 19:54

Another "regular army" holder of the Blood Order: Oberst Walther Krüger.

Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross: 27 August 1943, Oberstleutnant, Commander of Panzergrenadier-Regiment 71.
German Cross in Gold: 27 November 1941, Major, Commander of the III. Battalion of Infantry Regiment “Großdeutschland.”

Best regards,
Shawn

USAF1986 · Post by **USAF1986** » 27 Jun 2004 20:03

FANGIO,

Maybe out of topic but:
Why "later Meyer-Schewe"? I don´t understand. How can you change your last name? Was this common? I think I've read other examples but I always wondered how could they change their names? Was this legal?
Please any help.

I, too, have run across this before. For instance, the Biblio book series has a note about General der Artillerie Maximilian Fretter-Pico and Generalleutnant Otto Fretter-Pico. Both men were born "Fretter," but formally added “Pico” to their names on 27 September 1922 through the justice minister of Erlaß.

I'm not 100% certain, but I think the added name in many cases might have been the maiden name of the person's mother.

One of the more unusual cases of added names was that of former crew members of the World War I light cruiser Emden. Effective 3 March 1934, “Emden” was granted for attachment to the names of these men by decree of the Prussian Minister of the Interior and with the concurrence of the Reich Defense Minister. Here are two that reached admiral rank in World War II: Vizeadmiral Robin Schall-Emden and Vizeadmiral Robert Witthoeft-Emden.

Best regards,
Shawn

Reader3000 · Post by **Reader3000** » 27 Jun 2004 20:19

Did anybody here recognize my question?

USAF1986 · Post by **USAF1986** » 27 Jun 2004 20:44

Hi! Here’s a bit on the Blood Order from this site:

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1829

Notable recipients include: Hitler, Hess, Göring, Himmler, Bormann, Sepp Dietrich, etc.

Best regards,
Shawn

USAF1986 · Post by **USAF1986** » 27 Jun 2004 23:56

Although not entirely clear, this looks to be another holder of the Blood Order and the Knight’s Cross: Major der Reserve Josef Stigler.

Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross: 10 July 1942, Oberleutnant der Reserve, Leader of the II. Battalion of Infantry Regiment 42.

Note what appear to be two NSDAP Long Service Awards on his ribbon bar.

Best regards,
Shawn

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 28 Jun 2004 12:43

Shawn, thanks for your help about "meyer-schewe" and others.

Here's a pic (part of it) of Akira Takiguchi where it shows Obst Schmidt (no last name was given). I can see his wearing the Blutorden.
Could anynone ID this RKT, I mean there are a lot of 'Schmidts'.
Best regards.

FANGIO