German Generals 1920-1924

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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by askropp » 24 Nov 2015 14:29

Has anybody more information on Friedrich Freiherr Digeon von Monteton and Wilhelm von Hahnke? Were they full GMs on active service, and if so, which were their assignments?

Also, were any of the Char. GMs on active service?

According to "Die Generale des Heeres" and "Die Ritter des Ordens PLM", Udo von Fischer was a full GM, Hans von Sydow was an active Char. GM and Eginhard Eschborn was an active Char. GM before he became a full one to rank from his Charakter promotion.
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by askropp » 24 Nov 2015 15:48

Thank you! Hahnke and Wilberg are in the 1920 Stellenbesetzungen, but I can't find Digeon. If his promotion was full and active, he would have been the only officer who was promoted between Walther Reinhardt and the May 1920 generals. I wonder what could have justified such a preferential treatment.
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by askropp » 24 Nov 2015 16:57

Thanks, but this looks very much like a Charakterverleihung at the time of retirement. We have a whole number of Obersten who were retired as Char. GM effective 31.03.1920, but no other promotion of an active general before May 1920. In any case, his Dienstalter would have been 01.04.1920.
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by Robert Brockmeier » 12 Feb 2016 03:02

Is there also a list of the Glt Char for the same dates?
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by askropp » 31 Mar 2016 22:37

Correction:

Hans Mohs
01.01.1923 Char. Generalmajor
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by askropp » 01 Apr 2016 12:24

Missing the 1923 DAL, I tried to compile it from the info I have from other sources (namely the 1922 and 1924 DAL). Is this list identical to the DAL of 01.04.1923, or is someone either missing or falsely listed?

Generale
von Seeckt 01.10.1920 (1)
von Berendt 01.09.1921
von Möhl 01.01.1923

Generalleutnante
Reinhardt 16.06.1920 (2)
von Dassel 01.10.1920 (1)
von Poseck 01.10.1920 (2)
von Loßberg 01.10.1920 (3)
von Horn 01.10.1920 (4)
Bleidorn 01.07.1921 (2)
von Lossow 01.07.1921 (3)
Müller 01.07.1921 (4)
Klotz 01.10.1921
Eschborn 01.01.1922
Hasse, Ernst 01.04.1922 (1)
Heye 01.04.1922 (2)
Hasse, Paul 01.01.1923
von Tschischwitz 01.02.1923
Strempel Char. 28.09.1921 [listed under Heeresfriedenskommission]

Generalmajore
von Tettau 01.12.1920 (2)
von Taysen 01.07.1921 (1)
Ritter von Epp 01.07.1921 (2)
Gießler 01.07.1921 (4)
Freiherr Kreß von Kressenstein 01.07.1921 (5)
Felsch 01.07.1921 (6)
Freiherr von Ledebur 01.07.1921 (7)
Ritter von Danner 01.07.1921 (8)
Voigt 01.07.1921 (10)
Wurtzbacher 01.07.1921 (11)
van den Bergh 01.01.1922
Kraehe 01.02.1922
Edelbüttel 01.04.1922 (1)
Lindemann 01.05.1922
Salzenberg 01.10.1922
Tieschowitz von Tieschowa 01.01.1923 (1)
von Jagow 01.01.1923 (2)
von Pawelsz 01.02.1923 (1)
Wöllwarth 01.02.1923 (2)
Hasse, Otto 01.02.1923 (3)
Reinicke 01.02.1923 (4)
Ritter von Haack 01.02.1923 (5)
Herrgott 01.02.1923 (6)
Ritter von Ruith 01.04.1923 (1)
Siehr 01.04.1923 (2)
Mohs Char. 01.01.1923 [listed under Heeresfriedenskommission]

Generaloberstabsarzt
Schultzen 01.10.1920

Generalstabsarzt
Doebbelin 01.10.1922

Generalstabsveterinär
Grammlich 01.01.1920
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by abaus » 01 Apr 2016 14:40

Unfortunately, the 1923 Rangliste does not include a Dienstaltersliste, except for medial officers and members of the HFK. This is a list I pulled from my database of the 1923 Rangliste. The medical and vet officers are the same.

This also shows that trying to piece together actual dates of promotions with dates of rank is an inexact science. Judging from the 1924 Rangliste one would assume that Siehr and Ritter v. Ruith would be listed as Gen.Maj. in a Rangliste dated 01.04.1923. But they are not, as they were promoted later and given a date of rank of 01.04.1923.

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Seeckt, Hans von Gen. d. Inf. Rw Min. (HL), Chef 01.10.20 (1)
Berendt, Richard von Gen. d. Art. OBH d. GrKdo 1 01.09.21 -
Möhl, Arnold Ritter von Gen. d. Inf. OBH d. GrKdo 2 01.01.23 -

Reinhardt, Walther Gen. Lt. Kom. d. 5. Div. 16.06.20 (2)
Dassel, Johannes von Gen. Lt. Kom. d. 1. Div. 01.10.20 (1)
Poseck, Maximilian von Gen. Lt. Rw Min. (In 3), Insp. 01.10.20 (2)
Loßberg, Friedrich von Gen. Lt. Kom. d. 6. Div. 01.10.20 (3)
Horn, Rudolf von Gen. Lt. Kom. d. 3. Div. 01.10.20 (4)
Bleidorn, Kurt Gen. Lt. Rw Min. (In 4), Insp. 01.07.21 (2)
Lossow, Otto von Gen. Lt. Kom. d. 7. Div. 01.07.21 (3)
Müller, Alfred Gen. Lt. Kom. d. 4. Div. 01.07.21 (4)
Strempel, Heinrich ** Gen. Lt. HFK, Vorsitz. d. HVerbSt. Berlin char. 28.09.21
Klotz, Hermann Gen. Lt. Rw Min. (In 5), Insp. 01.10.21 -
Eschborn, Eginhard Gen. Lt. Kom. d. 3. Kav. Div. 01.01.22 -
Hasse, Ernst Gen. Lt. Kom. d. 2. Kav. Div. 01.04.22 (1)
Heye, Wilhelm Gen. Lt. Rw Min. (PA), Chef 01.04.22 (2)
Hasse, Paul Gen. Lt. Art. Führ. VI 01.01.23 -

Tettau, Otto Frhr. von Gen. Maj. Kom. d. 1. Kav. Div. 01.12.20 (2)
Klotz, Günther ** Gen. Maj. HFK, Entfestungskommissar char. 10.02.21
Tschischwitz, Erich von Gen. Maj. Kom. d. 2. Div. 01.04.21 (2)
Taysen, Friedrich von Gen. Maj. Rw Min. (In 2), Insp. 01.07.21 (1)
Epp, Franz Ritter von Gen. Maj. Inf. Führ. VII 01.07.21 (2)
Gießler, Rudolf Gen. Maj. Rw Min. Insp. f. Waffen u. Gerät, Insp. 01.07.21 (4)
Kreß von Kressenstein, Friedrich Frhr. Gen. Maj. Art. Führ. VII 01.07.21 (5)
Felsch, Karl Gen. Maj. Inf. Führ. IV 01.07.21 (6)
Ledebur, Leopold Frhr. von Gen. Maj. Komdt. v. Breslau 01.07.21 (7)
Danner, Jakob Ritter von Gen. Maj. Komdt. v. München 01.07.21 (8)
Voigt, Erwin Gen. Maj. Inf. Führ. VI 01.07.21 (10)
Wurtzbacher, Ludwig Gen. Maj. Rw Min. Chef d. Waffenamt (WaA) 01.07.21 (11)
Bergh, Hugo van den Gen. Maj. Inf. Führ. I 01.01.22 -
Kraehe, Konrad Gen. Maj. Inf. Führ. V 01.02.22 -
Edelbüttel, Gottfried Gen. Maj. Inf. Führ. III 01.04.22 (1)
Lindemann, Friedrich Gen. Maj. Inf. Sch., Kom. 01.05.22 -
Salzenberg, Friedrich Gen. Maj. St. d. GrKdo 2 01.10.22 -
Mohs, Hans** Gen. Maj. HFK, HVerbSt. Berlin char. 01.01.23
Tieschowitz von Tieschowa, Hans Gen. Maj. Inf. Sch., Leiter d. I. Lehrg. 01.01.23 (1)
Jagow, Walter von Gen. Maj. Inf. Führ. II 01.01.23 (2)
Pawelsz, Richard von Gen. Maj. Chef d. St. d. GrKdo 1 01.02.23 (1)
Wöllwarth, Erich Gen. Maj. Chef d. St. d. GrKdo 2 01.02.23 (2)
Hasse, Otto Gen. Maj. Rw Min. (TA), Chef 01.02.23 (3)
Reinicke, Hermann Gen. Maj. Rw Min. (P 1), Leiter 01.02.23 (4)
Haack, Friedrich Ritter von Gen. Maj. Rw Min. (HL), Chef d. Stab 01.02.23 (5)
Herrgott, Adolf Gen. Maj. 20. Inf. R., Kom. 01.02.23 (6)

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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by askropp » 01 Apr 2016 19:27

Thank you very much for this valuable information! It confirms most of my assumptions.
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by Aisingioro » 03 Nov 2016 06:38

supplement....

Generalleutnant
16.06.1920 CAMPE, Friedrich von

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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by askropp » 03 Nov 2016 15:25

Thank you very much! As Campe was the oldest of the 16.06.1920 GL and the first to retire, he was not the missing (3). I believe it probably was Seeckt.
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by Aisingioro » 08 Feb 2017 04:05

Anton von Steuben

20.10.1919 Char. Generalmajor
18.10.1921 Generalmajor (???)

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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by Aisingioro » 16 May 2017 08:33

askropp wrote:1919

Generalmajor
19.11.1919 Walther Reinhardt
Generalmajor
14.11.1919 Walther Reinhardt
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Re: German Generals 1920-1924

Post by Aisingioro » 16 May 2017 08:43

askropp wrote:1921

Generalmajore
01.12.1920 (1) Paul Hasse - issued on 10.02.1921
01.12.1920 (2) Otto von Tettau - issued on 10.02.1921
01.12.1920 Emmo von Roden - issued on 10.02.1921
01.01.1921 Richard Waechter - issued on 10.02.1921
Generalleutnante
01.12.1920 Otto Haas - issued on 10.02.1921

Generalmajore
01.12.1920 (1) Emmo von Roden - issued on 10.02.1921
01.12.1920 (2) Paul Hasse - issued on 10.02.1921
01.12.1920 (3) Otto von Tettau - issued on 10.02.1921
01.12.1920 (4) Hans von Knobelsdorff - issued on 10.02.1921
01.01.1921 Richard Waechter - issued on 10.02.1921


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