Kap.Z.s August Thiele
Kap.Z.s August Thiele
I have found 2 different asignments for this man. And they both come from reliable sources. The question is where he was when he got his ritterkreuz 18.01.1941
1. das-ritterkreuz.de:
Kommandant Schwerer Kreuzer "Lützow"
2. "Chronik des seekrieges" by J.Rohwehr:
in the staff of "Admiral der norwegischen Nordküste" 06.40 - 06.41
I`m suspecting that there could be 2 men with this name, and only "No1."
actually got the RK, but can anyone confirm this??
EE
1. das-ritterkreuz.de:
Kommandant Schwerer Kreuzer "Lützow"
2. "Chronik des seekrieges" by J.Rohwehr:
in the staff of "Admiral der norwegischen Nordküste" 06.40 - 06.41
I`m suspecting that there could be 2 men with this name, and only "No1."
actually got the RK, but can anyone confirm this??
EE
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I don't think Source No. 1 is correct as to assignment when the Knight's Cross was awarded -- The heavy cruiser "Lutzow" was sold, in an unfinished condition, to the USSR on 11 Feb 1940, according to Jason Pipes and Arvo Vercamer's website Feldgrau -- http://www.feldgrau.com/lutzow.html
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Source No. 2 is correct, according to Thiele's bio on Michael Miller's ABR site: http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRM ... miral.html
You are right that "Lützow" was sold to the Russians (and later sunk by Rudel)
But in when ww2 started, the Panzerschiffe Deutchland was re-commissioned as Schwere kreuzer Lützow.
It was badly damaged during Weserübung. The repairs were finished in August 1940 and this web-page,
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quart ... schl1.html
is missing the commander between 07-40 and 03-41.
I suspect that Thiele should be there....
EE
But in when ww2 started, the Panzerschiffe Deutchland was re-commissioned as Schwere kreuzer Lützow.
It was badly damaged during Weserübung. The repairs were finished in August 1940 and this web-page,
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quart ... schl1.html
is missing the commander between 07-40 and 03-41.
I suspect that Thiele should be there....
EE
Well David, seems like it is the same man afterall!
Only that http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de has a wrong asignment for him
Admiral der norwegischen Nordküste: 27 Apr 1940 - 19 Jun 1941.
Schwerer Kreuzer Lützow", Kommandant: 30 Nov 1939 - 18 Apr 1940
Thanks a lot David! This will add another name to my "RK in Norway" list"
EE
Only that http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de has a wrong asignment for him
Admiral der norwegischen Nordküste: 27 Apr 1940 - 19 Jun 1941.
Schwerer Kreuzer Lützow", Kommandant: 30 Nov 1939 - 18 Apr 1940
Thanks a lot David! This will add another name to my "RK in Norway" list"
EE
a question Erik !
Erik :
Slightly off-topic but do you know if the Nachtjagdleitschiff "Togo" sailed through your "home" waters ? I do know that it was active in Finland in 43.
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Slightly off-topic but do you know if the Nachtjagdleitschiff "Togo" sailed through your "home" waters ? I do know that it was active in Finland in 43.
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As far as I know, the "NJL Togo" never visited Norway......
Before it went to Finland, it was used outside Denmark as "Early warning" for German cities. In 1946 (after being in USA for a year) it was sold to the Norwegian navy and used as troopcarrier.
This is indeed a very interesting ship! Have you seen the photos of it?
EE
Before it went to Finland, it was used outside Denmark as "Early warning" for German cities. In 1946 (after being in USA for a year) it was sold to the Norwegian navy and used as troopcarrier.
This is indeed a very interesting ship! Have you seen the photos of it?
EE
Yes, and actually there is going to be some text in our book about it. We are in touch with the II WO's son and whom wrote a book on the ship and it's later life......Kurt Petsch. There are around 25 vets still alive from this grand and most unusual craft. A very much overlooked part of the Kriegsmarine/Luftwaffe activites.
got to run now, back tomorrow....
bis bald,
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got to run now, back tomorrow....
bis bald,
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Erik :
By chance would you have access to a weapons plan of the TOGO ? Petsch's book has several hand drawn armament plans but they are very hard to dicpher. Something of interest on this ship. This thing was parked in the Bay of Danzig for most of 45 before sailing out with refugees in april of 45. As it was parked it was the general radar installation, though mobil, that predicted Soviet a/c involvment on a daily basis. Why this ship was not targeted by the soviets either during the day or night has always puzzled me, since it was of major importance.
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By chance would you have access to a weapons plan of the TOGO ? Petsch's book has several hand drawn armament plans but they are very hard to dicpher. Something of interest on this ship. This thing was parked in the Bay of Danzig for most of 45 before sailing out with refugees in april of 45. As it was parked it was the general radar installation, though mobil, that predicted Soviet a/c involvment on a daily basis. Why this ship was not targeted by the soviets either during the day or night has always puzzled me, since it was of major importance.
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I have some contacts with the "right people" for this kind of info!
I`ll try to get some weapon descriptions.
Here is some history:
Ms TOGO (Callsign DJXJ or DINN)
13.8./22.9.1938 Bremer Vulkan, Vegesack (754)
5042/2844 14284/8085 7060
147,47?17,87?6,51?10,50 m
1 Mot. HD 2Td 8x600/1100 5100 (110)
Werft 43 (Pas. 12)
(17.9.1938) "Togo" Woermann Linie AG, Hamburg (DEU).
13.9.1939 in Boma (Reise Hamburg - Matadi, 31.8. an)
25.10. wieder ausgelaufen, über Island und Norwegen am 23.11.1939 an Hamburg.
1.3.1940 erfaßt als Werkstattschiff für die Kriegsmarine?Minenschiff Untern. “Seelöwe" (i. D. 18.8.40), a. D.
16.6.1941 und abgestellt zur Umrüstung als Handelsstörer "Schiff 14 Coronel" (22.12.1942/U Wilton),
27.4.1942 John T. Essberger (Afrika Linien),
20.3.1943 a. D. zur Umrüstung als Sperrbrecher, jedoch U Nachtjagdleitschiff (i. D. 18.10.43/U KM Werft Kiel 23.6.?
15.10.43), als Umbauwerften während der Marinezeit dienten auch noch die Stettiner Oderwerke und die KM Werft Gotenhafen.
12.5.1945 in Kiel. 13.8. über England an die USA am 15.1.1946 und am 14.3. in Bremerhaven an Norwegen abgeliefert. Norwegische Marine? Transporter.
Dezember 1946 "Svalbard" Norwegische Regierung (wie vorher), Horten (NOR).
Dezember 1947 bis Dezember 1949 Flüchtlingstransporter Europa - Australien - Nordamerika.
April 1954 AS Tilthorn (J. Lind), Oslo (NOR).
April 1954 "Tilthorn".
Juli 1954 "Stella Marina", Heimathafen Narvik, nach U Nordseewerke. November 1956 "Togo" Deutsch Afrikanische Schiffahrts GmbH, Hamburg Oktober 1959 DAL Deutsche Afrika Linien GmbH & Co. März 1968 "Lacasielle" Taboga Enterprises Inc., Panama (PAN). 8.4.1976 “Topeka" Caribbean Real Estate SA, Panama .
1984 Lineas Agromar Ltda.
21.11.1984 auf Reise Tampico - Barranquilla mit Stückgut durch starke Winde vom Ankerplatz bei Coatzacoalcos in Pos. 18.10,12 N 94.18,36 W/8 Meilen O von hier auf Grund getrieben, Maschinenraum und Laderäume später unter Wasser. Von der 27 köpfigen Besatzung kommen 2 Leute ums Leben und Schiff wird zum Totalverlust erklärt.
EE
I`ll try to get some weapon descriptions.
Here is some history:
Ms TOGO (Callsign DJXJ or DINN)
13.8./22.9.1938 Bremer Vulkan, Vegesack (754)
5042/2844 14284/8085 7060
147,47?17,87?6,51?10,50 m
1 Mot. HD 2Td 8x600/1100 5100 (110)
Werft 43 (Pas. 12)
(17.9.1938) "Togo" Woermann Linie AG, Hamburg (DEU).
13.9.1939 in Boma (Reise Hamburg - Matadi, 31.8. an)
25.10. wieder ausgelaufen, über Island und Norwegen am 23.11.1939 an Hamburg.
1.3.1940 erfaßt als Werkstattschiff für die Kriegsmarine?Minenschiff Untern. “Seelöwe" (i. D. 18.8.40), a. D.
16.6.1941 und abgestellt zur Umrüstung als Handelsstörer "Schiff 14 Coronel" (22.12.1942/U Wilton),
27.4.1942 John T. Essberger (Afrika Linien),
20.3.1943 a. D. zur Umrüstung als Sperrbrecher, jedoch U Nachtjagdleitschiff (i. D. 18.10.43/U KM Werft Kiel 23.6.?
15.10.43), als Umbauwerften während der Marinezeit dienten auch noch die Stettiner Oderwerke und die KM Werft Gotenhafen.
12.5.1945 in Kiel. 13.8. über England an die USA am 15.1.1946 und am 14.3. in Bremerhaven an Norwegen abgeliefert. Norwegische Marine? Transporter.
Dezember 1946 "Svalbard" Norwegische Regierung (wie vorher), Horten (NOR).
Dezember 1947 bis Dezember 1949 Flüchtlingstransporter Europa - Australien - Nordamerika.
April 1954 AS Tilthorn (J. Lind), Oslo (NOR).
April 1954 "Tilthorn".
Juli 1954 "Stella Marina", Heimathafen Narvik, nach U Nordseewerke. November 1956 "Togo" Deutsch Afrikanische Schiffahrts GmbH, Hamburg Oktober 1959 DAL Deutsche Afrika Linien GmbH & Co. März 1968 "Lacasielle" Taboga Enterprises Inc., Panama (PAN). 8.4.1976 “Topeka" Caribbean Real Estate SA, Panama .
1984 Lineas Agromar Ltda.
21.11.1984 auf Reise Tampico - Barranquilla mit Stückgut durch starke Winde vom Ankerplatz bei Coatzacoalcos in Pos. 18.10,12 N 94.18,36 W/8 Meilen O von hier auf Grund getrieben, Maschinenraum und Laderäume später unter Wasser. Von der 27 köpfigen Besatzung kommen 2 Leute ums Leben und Schiff wird zum Totalverlust erklärt.
EE
N.Schiff Togo .....
Excellent descriptions Erik ! Write me a private with more please. who are the contacts...... ?
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