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Re: Family Research - Waffen SS Normandy 1944 Verrières Operation Spring

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Post by Harro » 20 May 2018, 09:43

Is there anything visible in the photo you have - Kragenspiegel, Schulterklappen, Ärmelstreifen - or is it just a plain uniform?

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Post by 77chris » 20 May 2018, 10:03

Harro wrote:Your photo caption "France February 1944" is interesting because it is not a location that is easily linked to the LSSAH.
That‘s what confused me when I was looking into the history of LSSAH. Mayby your guess is correct or he was not member of the LSSAH. At the east flank of LSSAH the SS Hitlerjugend was deployed and at the west the SS Hohenstaufen was the reserve behind the 272nd. So maybe on 27 July parts of these other SS divisions moved as reinforcement to frontlines where Canadian troops were operating. That‘s why my interest is in books that describe the fighings in this area. So if one of the forum readers have the books mentioned above, please PM...I already have some Canadian literature that confirm the information of your book: The 27th was more or less calm without large attacks of the Canadian forces.


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Re: Family Research - Waffen SS Normandy 1944 Verrières Operation Spring

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Post by 77chris » 20 May 2018, 10:10

Harro wrote:Is there anything visible in the photo you have - Kragenspiegel, Schulterklappen, Ärmelstreifen - or is it just a plain uniform?
That's the picture I mentioned
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Post by Harro » 20 May 2018, 10:13

Thanks! Note that there was a Nachrichtenschule der Waffen SS in Metz - which could account for the "France February 1944" caption.

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Post by KriSa13 » 13 Jun 2018, 20:51

Hi,

I have followed your interesting posts. I am also researching my grandfather's role in WW2 and on papers that I have been sent by the DRK I could see that he was in the 9. SS Panzerdivision. But I would like to find out more about it. I think the 9. Panzerdivision has been regrouped very often. The Bundesarchiv wrote that he was supposed to attend the 14. Führerlehrgang (the letter was dated Feb 1944).

I wondered if anyone would be able to help.

Many thanks,

Kris

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Post by Harro » 13 Jun 2018, 21:10

What was his name?

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Post by KriSa13 » 22 Jun 2018, 16:13

Hi Harro,

his name was Hans-Georg Eichler.

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Post by Harro » 22 Jun 2018, 16:31

KriSa13 wrote:Hi Harro,

his name was Hans-Georg Eichler.

Thanks,

Kris
Thanks! There's an Artur, a Herbert, a Karl and a Walter Eichler in the Führerliste der Waffen-SS but no Hans-Georg which suggests he did not graduate but perhaps other members can shine a light on that. Note that the listed Karl Eichler (born in Essen in 1910) did serve in the 9. SS-PzDiv: he was an SS-Untersturmführer in the signals battalion and was KIA near Evrecy on July 17, 1944.

Another issue is to establish which 14. Führerlehrgang they mean. Here's a topic about the candidates of the 14. Kriegs-Junker-Lehrgang at the Junkerschule in Bad Tölz but there's no Eichler listed among the candidates and graduates...

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=179263

However, there were also courses at the Junkerschule in Braunschweig, Reserveführer-Lehrgänge in Kienschlag, etc., but I'm not aware of a 14. Lehrgang there. Here also perhaps other members know more.

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Post by KriSa13 » 23 Jun 2018, 18:14

Hallo Harro,

thank you very much for checking. You gave me some interesting things to consider. I also read that some men got send to these "Lehrgänge" that were injured ( versehrte SS Leute). I read in his release form he filled in as a russian p.o.w. that he did get injured at some stage.


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Post by Harro » 27 Jun 2018, 23:14

Absolutely, the lehrgänge für Versehrte were part of my "etc." :milsmile:

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Re: Family Research - Waffen SS Normandy 1944 Verrières Operation Spring

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Post by 77chris » 11 Mar 2020, 19:22

Hello all,

I got some news about my Grandfather! The Wast/Bundesarchiv inquiry was answered: My grandfather was in the Panzer-Grenadier-Division 17 Götz von Berlichingen 1. SS-Nachrichten-Abteilung 17 and he was captured on 27th of July 1944 in Feugères, Normandy. So, his claims that it were Canadians who captured him, was wrong. I assume that the 83rd infantery division captured him, maybe the 2nd Bat. of the 331st Regiment (they were at Feugères on the 27th: https://83rdinfdivdocs.org/documents/33 ... UL1944.pdf)

So, my questions to you are:
1. Does anybody have information about that German units (or the US troops that are not linked on the page above) and esp. information about the fightings around the 27th July 44?
2. Does anybody have interrogation reports of that US unit or know were to find these?

Best regards

Chris

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