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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by Stanford9 » 23 May 2018 18:17

Hello again all,
May I ask your help with this Humber Super Snipe? I know the photograph was taken in France, my guess (from the brick walls) is Nord Pas De Calais, so somewhere near Dunkirk and looking at the state of the wreckage, probably very shortly after the event. But that’s guess work, conjecture. Can someone kind help identify the Unit that have purloined this Humber?
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by yantaylor » 23 May 2018 20:41

Here is a shot of a captured American Hellcat, the image says France 1944, but that insignia looks more like 20. Panzer-Division, but that unit was serving in Russia at that time.
Any takers?
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by jpz4 » 23 May 2018 22:55

That ain't no Hellcat. It's an Achilles
Achilles named "CHELSEA" belonged to C troop, 245 Battery, 62nd Anti-Tank Regiment, RA of the British I Corps.
It was knocked out by a panzer of the 21. Panzer-Division south east of Escoville on a crossroad off the Bréville-Escovillle road on June 18, 1944.
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by yantaylor » 24 May 2018 11:20

Thanks Jpz, you are correct, I should have checked that out before I posted the photo, I just read the caption under the image in a book by late Bruce Quarrie, just goes to show that even experts like Bruce can make mistakes.

Any idea on what that emblem on the rear of the vehicle is, is it to do with the 21st Pz or British?

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by B Hellqvist » 30 May 2018 00:56

Just bumping this.
B Hellqvist wrote:OK, so I know that the unit emblem is that of the 3. Panzer-Division, but I've seen conflicting information as to when the emblem was introduced. Most say the summer of 1943, but one book placed it in 1941. Is there a more specific date? (And yes, I've tried googling it.) Also, the tactical sign is as far as I can tell that of a towed howitzer unit, but what does the "R" stand for?
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by Jools mckenna » 30 May 2018 11:16

Hello, just wondering does anyone know what unit this is?
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 04 Jun 2018 13:58

B Hellqvist wrote:Just bumping this.
B Hellqvist wrote:OK, so I know that the unit emblem is that of the 3. Panzer-Division, but I've seen conflicting information as to when the emblem was introduced. Most say the summer of 1943, but one book placed it in 1941. Is there a more specific date? (And yes, I've tried googling it.) Also, the tactical sign is as far as I can tell that of a towed howitzer unit, but what does the "R" stand for?
That emblem was introduced for 3 PD after the French Campaign and before Barbarossa, you will see some vehicles in North Africa still wearing it when the units were taken from 3 PD to form 5 Light Div. The R stands for Regiment and indicates that the vehicle belongs to the RHQ of the Artillery Regiment.
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by yantaylor » 04 Jun 2018 20:18

Here is another one from a Quarrie book, it was took in Russia and what is that square emblem on the left hand side?
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by B Hellqvist » 05 Jun 2018 03:10

yantaylor wrote:Here is another one from a Quarrie book, it was took in Russia and what is that square emblem on the left hand side?

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Stg.Brig 244 or 286?

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by B Hellqvist » 05 Jun 2018 03:12

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
B Hellqvist wrote:Just bumping this.
B Hellqvist wrote:OK, so I know that the unit emblem is that of the 3. Panzer-Division, but I've seen conflicting information as to when the emblem was introduced. Most say the summer of 1943, but one book placed it in 1941. Is there a more specific date? (And yes, I've tried googling it.) Also, the tactical sign is as far as I can tell that of a towed howitzer unit, but what does the "R" stand for?
That emblem was introduced for 3 PD after the French Campaign and before Barbarossa, you will see some vehicles in North Africa still wearing it when the units were taken from 3 PD to form 5 Light Div. The R stands for Regiment and indicates that the vehicle belongs to the RHQ of the Artillery Regiment.
Thanks! Seems like the majority of links I checked were unclear on this.

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by yantaylor » 06 Jun 2018 20:45

Thanks Hellqvist.

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by B Hellqvist » 13 Jun 2018 20:20

Does anyone know the ID of the unit that Flak vehicle belongs to? The photo also shows a column of PzKpfw IVs. I get it that it belongs to Panzergruppe 3, but what division (or independent unit)? One symbol almost looks like SS runes in a circle, while the other looks like a couple of axes back to back. No date on the photo, but it's clearly Eastern Front, and probably one of the summers of 1941-43.

(I had a thought that the emblem could be that Beobachtungs-Abteilung 27, but then the Panzergruppe 3 emblem wouldn't make any sense.)
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by mika1606 » 15 Jun 2018 21:17

Hi,

The ID is from Panzergruppe 3

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 16 Jun 2018 09:47

B Hellqvist wrote:(I had a thought that the emblem could be that Beobachtungs-Abteilung 27, but then the Panzergruppe 3 emblem wouldn't make any sense.)
But a Beobachtungs Abt having a Flak vehicle wouldn't make sense either.
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

Post by B Hellqvist » 16 Jun 2018 14:23

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
B Hellqvist wrote:(I had a thought that the emblem could be that Beobachtungs-Abteilung 27, but then the Panzergruppe 3 emblem wouldn't make any sense.)
But a Beobachtungs Abt having a Flak vehicle wouldn't make sense either.
I know, but it appears like they had some kind of Flak unit.
The 4.Ballon-Batterie was removed from the organization of most all Beobachtungs-Abteilungen after 1942, during the conversion into leicht Beobachtungs-Abteilungen (mot.). Their Flak-Zug was likewise removed.

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