Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

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Re: Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

Post by Hardigan » 23 Jun 2022 17:12

Michael Kenny wrote:
22 Jun 2022 21:54
Hardigan wrote:
22 Jun 2022 20:38
We know your 'facts', that's also why they kicked you out on different fora.
Which one would that be? I am always easy to find as I only ever post with my real name. I never hide my identity.

Hardigan wrote:
22 Jun 2022 20:38
this list is just an enumeration and for discussion of the (high) claims for the men who did count their 'destroyed' tanks. Their were lots of them what you can see in this list and also many photos with kill rings on their barrels.

I can (and have done in the past)provide you will several Normandy examples where the claimed 'kill' count is completely bogus so no this is not a list of only those who actually counted their kills.
I know of the known 'Wehrmacht Awards Forum' (suspended) and other unknown ones a long time ago, I'm not going to search for them(some of them probably doesn't exist anymore).

And it's the purpose of the list to filter those who have (high) bogus claims and as you can see I removed them from the list to 'unknown' or completely, but these are exceptional cases.
It's also difficult to determinate sometimes what veterans told about their claims. There are veterans who don't want to talk (anymore) about their 'kills' or they simply don't remember it anymore exactly, you'll never know.

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Re: Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

Post by Michael Kenny » 23 Jun 2022 18:08

Hardigan wrote:
23 Jun 2022 17:12


I know of the known 'Wehrmacht Awards Forum' (suspended)

Very rare I post there 14 posts in the last 9 years.



https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums ... st12606663

Hardigan wrote:
23 Jun 2022 17:12
and other unknown ones a long time ago, I'm not going to search for them(some of them probably doesn't exist anymore).
It would seem your (lack of) fact-checking ability is not JUST confined to Ace Landry-list.

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Re: Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

Post by alcius » 01 Jul 2022 10:38

In this zeitung Link: https://www.europeana.eu/de/item/920033 ... 0094654957
Hamburger Anzeiger - 1943-08-17
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it is mentioned Stabsfeldwebel Wolf -52 kills
The only one that I know is Stabsfeldwebel Walter Wolf - German Cross in Gold - August 13th, 1943 Pz.Rgt.15
But as we read in this post; https://panzernachrichten.blogspot.com/ ... d-fur.html
he got the award for + 40 kills, and got knight's cross a year later( October 16th, 1944) for +50 kills
I don't know if it's the same
If anyone can help me, thank you

Alcius
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Re: Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

Post by Hardigan » 01 Jul 2022 21:44

Alcius, It must be Walter Wolf, he got the DKiG for more than 40 kills(which also could be the known 52? for him). It's not clear for me (no official source) if he was awarded with the Knights Cross also for his total of panzerkills. I also see he was a gunner first, maybe that also has got to do with the counting of his kills. It's not that important with these lower kills, it's only getting interesting with the much higher claims.

I will also bring in Kolodziejczyk and Kaminski. Czerny must be placed like 100/120? then. Thanks.

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Re: Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

Post by alcius » 02 Jul 2022 10:44

I would say to always stay low .

If you want some ace with high kills here are some:

Oberfeldwebel Paul Palm - Pz.Rgt.35 - 80 kills
https://panzernachrichten.blogspot.com/ ... -palm.html

In the Magazin:
Clausewitz 2013-03-04 -pag.27 - Kursk 1943 – Ein Kriegsteilnehmer berichtet -
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Unteroffizier Werner Siegemund – Pz.Rgt 18 - panzer gunner of the Oberfeldwebel Oskar Rohrig - 84ca
I have not found any Siegemund in any German Cross in Gold database, if anyone has any information

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Re: Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

Post by alessandro bray » 02 Jul 2022 15:39

Hi,

Uffz. Werner Siegemund served later, as well as Ofw Roehrig, in sPzAbt 504 in Italy. I have no evidence of DKiG for him.

Alessandro

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