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Hetzer in divisions

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Post by scarecrow » 21 Jun 2006, 17:19

Which German Divisions( Panzer, Pz-Gren, Infantry, SS divs....) and Kampfgruppen recieved Hetzers and how many ?

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Post by FRANCY RITTER » 21 Jun 2006, 17:47

Hello!! :)


From... http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ght=hetzer




Ron Klages' Hetzer Distribution List.

Seeker,

Here is a list of Hetzer allocations by unit from several sources. It is still a work in progress.

•Czechoslovak Armored Fighting Vehicles 1918-1948 by Kliment and Francev
•Hetzer booklet from MBI
•Delivery Records as provided by Martin Block

Best regards,

Ron Klages


Legend
Unit/date/month/year/quantity

Bergen/28/May/1944/2
Hillersborn/28/May/1944/2
Wa Prüf 7/28/May/1944/1
Wünsdorf/28/May/1944/1
Berka/30/May/1944/3
Kummersdorf/30/May/1944/5
PJ Schule Mielau/30/May/1944/7
Putlos/30/May/1944/1
Ersatzheer/29/June/1944/4
Ersatzheer/30/June/1944/4
Ersatzheer/1/July/1944/4
PJA 731/4/July/1944/14
Ersatzheer/5/July/1944/2
PJA 731/6/July/1944/31
Ersatzheer/19/July/1944/16
PJA 743/19/July/1944/28
Ersatzheer/25/July/1944/7
PJA 743/28/July/1944/17
PJA 15/5/August/1944/14
PJA 176/7/August/1944/14
PJA 335/10/August/1944/14
PJA 257/13/August/1944/14
StuG. Abt. 1179/13/August/1944/14
SS PJA 20/14/August/1944/14
NSKK Schule/25/August/1944/1
SS PJA 8/26/August/1944/14
PJA 97/28/August/1944/14
Kummersdorf/31/August/1944/1
PJ Schule Mielau/31/August/1944/7
Wa Prüf 6/31/August/1944/1
PJA 306/1/September/1944/14
Aufstellungs-Stab Süd/3/September/1944/3
PJA 376/4/September/1944/14
SS PJA 8/7/September/1944/15
Ersatzheer/8/September/1944/4
PJA 219/9/September/1944/14
PJA 246/9/September/1944/14
Ersatzheer/11/September/1944/4
Ersatzheer/12/September/1944/7
Ersatzheer/13/September/1944/5
Ersatzheer/15/September/1944/8
PJA 363/16/September/1944/14
Ersatzheer/18/September/1944/2
PJA 741/18/September/1944/15
PJA 741/21/September/1944/15
Fa. Krupp/Alkett/25/September/1944/2
SS PJA 16/29/September/1944/10
PJA 741/3/October/1944/15
PJ Schule Milowitz/5/October/1944/10
Ersatzheer/7/October/1944/1
SS Abrechn Sept./8/October/1944/4
SS PJA 22/10/October/1944/7
PJA 349/11/October/1944/14
PJA 222/20/October/1944/14
PJA 46/20/October/1944/14
SS PJA 15/21/October/1944/14
PJA 1818/22/October/1944/14
PJA 277/23/October/1944/14
PJA 708/23/October/1944/14
SS PJA 22/26/October/1944/14
PJA 272/28/October/1944/14
Gbrs. PJA 94/31/October/1944/14
PJA 304/31/October/1944/14
Wishau/31/October/1944/2
PJA 26/2/November/1944/14
SS PJA 19/4/November/1944/14
PJA 147/6/November/1944/14
PJA 337/10/November/1944/14
SS Abrechn Oct./11/November/1944/3
PJA 352/13/November/1944/14
PJA 340/15/November/1944/14
SS Abrechn Oct./15/November/1944/3
PJA 731/16/November/1944/10
PJA 162/17/November/1944/14
PJA 9/18/November/1944/14
PJA 326/19/November/1944/14
PJA 346/19/November/1944/14
PJA 711/21/November/1944/14
PJKp. 1243/21/November/1944/14
PJA 741/24/November/1944/3
PJA 167/25/November/1944/14
PJA 716/25/November/1944/14
PJA 741/25/November/1944/9
PJKp. Bock/26/November/1944/14
PJKp. Lang/26/November/1944/14
PJA 344/27/November/1944/14
PJKp. Pankow/27/November/1944/14
PJA 271/1/December/1944/14
PJA 320/3/December/1944/14
SS PJA 16/4/December/1944/10
PJA 743/3/December/1944/3
Hungary/7/December/1944/25
PJA 1316/7/December/1944/14
PJA 179/7/December/1944/14
PJA 245/7/December/1944/14
PJA 252/7/December/1944/14
Hungary/10/December/1944/25
Artillerie-Schule Burg/13/December/1944/2
SS PJA 16/13/December/1944/5
Ausb.Abt. Süd/14/December/1944/3
PJA 168/14/December/1944/14
PJA 219/14/December/1944/4
PJA 246/14/December/1944/4
SS PJA 16/15/December/1944/10
Ausb.Abt. Lonigo/16/December/1944/3
PJA 46/16/December/1944/4
PJKp. 1055 [P.E.2a]/16/December/1944/14
H.Gr. Süd/17/December/1944/32
PJKp. 1006/17/December/1944/1
SS Abrechn Dez./22/December/1944/8
PJA 731/24/December/1944/20
SS PJA 31/27/December/1944/14
PJA 194/28/December/1944/7
PE 7c/1/January/1945/14
PJA 211/1/January/1945/14
SS PJA 14/2/January/1945/14
PJA 165/4/January/1945/14
PJA 716/8/January/1945/4
PJA 743/10/January/1945/10
PJKp. Gekeler/11/January/1945/10
SS PJA 16/11/January/1945/4
Wa Prüf 6/11/January/1945/1
Hungary/12/January/1945/25
PJA 173/15/January/1945/14
PJA 359/15/January/1945/14
PJA 21/17/January/1945/14
PJA 257/17/January/1945/14
Ersatzheer/18/January/1945/32
H.Gr. A/19/January/1945/13
PJA 384/19/January/1945/14
PJKp zbV PzAOK 1/19/January/1945/14
H.Gr. A/21/January/1945/3
PJA 1542/23/January/1945/14
PJA 222/23/January/1945/10
PJA 271/23/January/1945/14
PJKp. 1183/23/January/1945/14
PJA 129/24/January/1945/14
PJA 1547/25/January/1945/14
PJA 1551/25/January/1945/14
PJA 203/25/January/1945/14
PJKp. RFSS/25/January/1945/10
PJA 278/28/January/1945/14
PJA 334/28/January/1945/14
PJA 510/29/January/1945/28
PE 33a/1/February/1945/14
PJA 1[PE 6a]/2/February/1945/14
SS PJA 20/2/February/1945/5
PJA 2[PE 6b]/5/February/1945/14
SS Abrechn Dez./5/February/1945/11
PJA 4[PE 13b]/8/February/1945/14
PJA 5[PE 43b]/8/February/1945/14
SS Abrechn Januar/9/February/1945/16
H.Gr. Mitte/10/February/1945/8
PJA 561/10/February/1945/20
Ersatzheer/12/February/1945/18
FUS Wishau/12/February/1945/5
PE 9c/12/February/1945/14
SS PJA 20/12/February/1945/5
Fsch. PJA 9/14/February/1945/14
PJA 743/15/February/1945/31
PJA 1600/17/February/1945/10
SS PJKp. Bad Sarow/18/February/1945/14
PJA 275/22/February/1945/10
Polizei-Brgd. Wirth/22/February/1945/10
PJA Jüterbog/23/February/1945/21
PJA Schlesien/23/February/1945/21
PJA 356/25/February/1945/14
H.Gr. B/2/March/1945/10
H.Gr. H/2/March/1945/10
JPKp. 1222/2/March/1945/8
PJA 1176 /2/March/1945/1
PJA 357/2/March/1945/11
PJA 744/3/March/1945/31
Nachshub West/5/March/1945/6
PJA 162/5/March/1945/8
PJA 272/5/March/1945/6
Befh. Waffen SS B u M/6/March/1945/6
H.Gr. Mitte/6/March/1945/20
H.Gr. Nord/6/March/1945/20
PE Milowitz F/6/March/1945/10
PE Milowitz G/7/March/1945/10
PJA 230/7/March/1945/10
PJA 234/7/March/1945/10
PJKp. RFSS/7/March/1945/10
PJA FHH 2/8/March/1945/20
StuG Brig. 236/8/March/1945/10
StuG Brig. 236/9/March/1945/21
PJA 171/10/March/1945/10
PJA 305/11/March/1945/10
PJA 362/11/March/1945/10
PJA 251/12/March/1945/10
PJA 304/12/March/1945/10
Ersatzheer/13/March/1945/2
JPKp. 1006/14/March/1945/10
PJA 17/15/March/1945/10
JPKp. 1089/16/March/1945/10
PJA FHH 1/16/March/1945/21
Gbrs. PJA 44/18/March/1945/10
Nachschub Ob. West/19/March/1945/20
PJA ???/22/March/1945/10
JPKp. 1106/25/March/1945/10
SS Abrechn Febr./25/March/1945/10
Nachschub Ob. West/26/March/1945/22
PJA 1553/26/March/1945/10
JPKp. 1716/27/March/1945/10
Nachschub Ob. West/28/March/1945/20
H.Gr. Mitte/1/April/1945/20
PJA 3/7/April/1945/21
PJA 715/7/April/1945/10
PJA Scharnhorst/8/April/1945/10
PJA Ulrich v Hutten/10/April/1945/10
JPKp. 1235/11/April/1945/10
JPKp. 1245/11/April/1945/10
JPKp. 1257/11/April/1945/10
PJA 185/12/April/1945/10
SS PJA 38/15/April/1945/10
PJA Friedrich L. Jahn/16/April/1945/10
PJA Schlageter/17/April/1945/10


Total 2533 vehicles

(Commissar's note: I've made this a sticky as it is very important information to have and Ron did the Forum a Great Service by compiling it. Great Job Ron!!! Best Regards, David)


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Re: Hetzer in divisions

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Post by Kelvin » 20 Apr 2008, 17:32

In 1945, German 8th, 13th and 16th Panzer Division possessed Hetzer on the Eastern Front. 16th Panzer divison had 11 Hetzer in April 1945

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Re: Hetzer in divisions

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Post by steppewolf » 17 Feb 2019, 11:05

Any idea how many units with Hetzers were in Moldova in August 1944?

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Post by Kelvin » 17 Feb 2019, 14:33

No Jagdpanzer 38 in Moldova in August 1944. 335.Infanterie division still waited for delivery of this vehicles.

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Post by steppewolf » 18 Feb 2019, 14:11

I found this thread from which I quote the posts of user Aidan:
in a book I have dedicated to Hetzer light tank destroyer, it is written that aware of growing problems of the series production of Maresal tank destroyer the romanians and germans agreed on import of an unknown number of Hetzers for romanian army! It's written that the first delivery should start in 25 august 1944 with 15 Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzers for an romanian unit from the Moldavian front. This delivery was not a problem for the germans as from the beginning of august five infantry divisions (german of course) from the moldavian front received 72 Hetzers (each division 14 tank destroyers) before the start of Iasi-Chisinau operation. These 15 Hetzers intended for romanian army were used by the germans and hungarians in their operations in Northern Transylvania.
in the book is mentioned that besides the 5 divisions who actually received the 72 Jagdpanzer 38 (Hetzer) which were: the 15th, 76th, 335th, 79th, 257th Infantry Divisions other two german and one (unknown) romanian Infantry Divisions must receive 43 Jpz. 38 (14 Jpz. 38 to the german 306th Infantry Division, 14 Jpz. 38 to the german 376th Infantry Division and 15 Jpz. 38 to one unknown romanian Infantry Division) until the late august 1944. The german 306th and 376th Divisions were both destroyed in august and the materiel send in Transylvania in early september 1944 was used by the new formed StuG Abt 1219 (Sturmgeschutz Abteilung -Assault Gun Battalion). Other surviving Jagdpanzer 38 (Hetzer) from the moldavian front were redeployed in Transylvania and entered into composition of 1335, 1179 and 1257 StuG Abt present there. But the author of the book expresses his doubts that these units (1335, 1179 and 1257 StuG Abt) were present and actually took part in the battles from late august 1944 on the moldavian front, considering the fact that their parent divisions (335th, 79th, 257th Infantry Divisions) were completely destroyed there so... he assumed that these units were stationed behind the front line, in the rear, for crew training! What is sure is that some of these formations actively participated in battles in early and mid-september 1944 in the composition of both german and hungarian units from Transylvania, supporting them!
In the book there can be found no positive appreciations towards the Romanian tank hunter program, even if the project and the prototypes were rated as very good! The problem was that a solid platform lacked (an armored vehicle that can be transformed into a tank hunter) and the production cost were very high involving special problems which could not be easily overcome!

Any idea which book might be?

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Re: Hetzer in divisions

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Post by Hoover » 18 Feb 2019, 16:01

6 postings and no hint, that there were no Hetzers in WW2, but Jagdpanzer 38?

Just joking.

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Post by steppewolf » 18 Feb 2019, 16:16

Hoover wrote:
18 Feb 2019, 16:01
6 postings and no hint, that there were no Hetzers in WW2, but Jagdpanzer 38?

Just joking.
Haha indeed, official name was different back than but people use Hetzer a lot. But yeah, good idea, I'll try to search info with this name, maybe I'll find more

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 18 Feb 2019, 21:26

I don't know what that book might be but the only mention of the Hetzer in connection with Romania in Axworthy's "Third Axis, Forth Ally" is to say how much the Marshal influenced the design of the Hetzer. I do wonder just how much use there would have been in issuing Hetzer to an Infantry Division at the front. Would they not have issued them to a unit in training in Romania and then sent that to the front ? As it happens the Romanians had set up just such a training unit for the Marshal in their 2nd Tank Regiment so that is where the Hetzers, if they had existed, would have gone.
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Post by Kelvin » 19 Feb 2019, 05:51

Hoover wrote:
18 Feb 2019, 16:01
6 postings and no hint, that there were no Hetzers in WW2, but Jagdpanzer 38?

Just joking.
Hi, German officical report used " Jagdpanzer 38 " for Hetzer. Just like offical name for Brummbar is " Sturmpanzer IV "

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Post by Kelvin » 19 Feb 2019, 05:55

steppewolf wrote:
18 Feb 2019, 14:11
I found this thread from which I quote the posts of user Aidan:
in a book I have dedicated to Hetzer light tank destroyer, it is written that aware of growing problems of the series production of Maresal tank destroyer the romanians and germans agreed on import of an unknown number of Hetzers for romanian army! It's written that the first delivery should start in 25 august 1944 with 15 Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzers for an romanian unit from the Moldavian front. This delivery was not a problem for the germans as from the beginning of august five infantry divisions (german of course) from the moldavian front received 72 Hetzers (each division 14 tank destroyers) before the start of Iasi-Chisinau operation. These 15 Hetzers intended for romanian army were used by the germans and hungarians in their operations in Northern Transylvania.
in the book is mentioned that besides the 5 divisions who actually received the 72 Jagdpanzer 38 (Hetzer) which were: the 15th, 76th, 335th, 79th, 257th Infantry Divisions other two german and one (unknown) romanian Infantry Divisions must receive 43 Jpz. 38 (14 Jpz. 38 to the german 306th Infantry Division, 14 Jpz. 38 to the german 376th Infantry Division and 15 Jpz. 38 to one unknown romanian Infantry Division) until the late august 1944. The german 306th and 376th Divisions were both destroyed in august and the materiel send in Transylvania in early september 1944 was used by the new formed StuG Abt 1219 (Sturmgeschutz Abteilung -Assault Gun Battalion). Other surviving Jagdpanzer 38 (Hetzer) from the moldavian front were redeployed in Transylvania and entered into composition of 1335, 1179 and 1257 StuG Abt present there. But the author of the book expresses his doubts that these units (1335, 1179 and 1257 StuG Abt) were present and actually took part in the battles from late august 1944 on the moldavian front, considering the fact that their parent divisions (335th, 79th, 257th Infantry Divisions) were completely destroyed there so... he assumed that these units were stationed behind the front line, in the rear, for crew training! What is sure is that some of these formations actively participated in battles in early and mid-september 1944 in the composition of both german and hungarian units from Transylvania, supporting them!
In the book there can be found no positive appreciations towards the Romanian tank hunter program, even if the project and the prototypes were rated as very good! The problem was that a solid platform lacked (an armored vehicle that can be transformed into a tank hunter) and the production cost were very high involving special problems which could not be easily overcome!

Any idea which book might be?
Those five infanterie divisions did not receive those AFV in Aug 1944. 15. and 76. Inf divisions did have Jagdpanzer 38 later.
As 335. Inf. Div was destroyed, its Pz.Jg.Kp 1335 with 14 x Jagdpanzer 38 became Heerestruppen in Heeresgruppe Sud.
Also 79. and 257. Inf div were annhilated and then sent to west to rebuild as VGD. They finally get their Jagdpanzer 38 in late Dec 44 and mid Jan 45.

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