Lehrtruppen - Deutsches Heeresmission Rumänien 1941

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Lehrtruppen - Deutsches Heeresmission Rumänien 1941

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Post by Gerst » 17 Aug 2006, 05:41

The German XXX Armeekorps arrived in Romania in January 1941. They were under the command of the Deutsches Heeresmission Rumänien. My fahrer, who was with the XXX AK Stab, listed his duty as "Lehrtruppen." Was this a front? If not, what "teaching" or "learning" was going on?

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Post by IchBinLSSAHSoldaten » 17 Aug 2006, 06:02

Lehrtruppen was a type of elite combat soldier. Just like panzertruppen, etc.


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Post by Christoph Awender » 17 Aug 2006, 06:16

"Lehrtruppe" or "Lehrtruppen" has nothing to do with elite combat soldiers nor does the term Panzertruppen have anything to do with elite.

Romania was an important partner especially economically. After Antonescu took lead in 1941 he and germany were working on strengthening and reforming the army. For this purpose germany sent instructors and training units for this purpose. This was the official purpose but the real point was that these forces were able to secure the romanian oil area against actions of third parties, to control the romanian army into their direction and preparations to act out of Romania in the case of war against Russia.

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Post by Gerst » 17 Aug 2006, 16:16

You are correct, Christoph. There were no "elite" troops in my dad's corps. He and other members of the staff spent a lot of time inter-acting with Romanian officers and struck up many friendships. Dad took a lot of pictures. He liked Romania.

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Post by Andreas » 17 Aug 2006, 17:22

You can find a bit more information about this in Hoffmann's 'Die Magedburger Division', because 13. PD was also part of the Heeresmission.

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Post by logibear64 » 18 Aug 2006, 03:27

Christoph is right on target. BTW the early elements of the 16 Panzer-division were sent into Romania as "Lehrstab Hube." As the name emplies in addition to training the new divisional elements they did indeed provide instructional courses to the Romanian army. However, it is certain that the name "Lehrstab Hube" was part cover.

There is a whole history that could be written about the Romanian army's role in WW2. However, it will not appear in English I am afraid.

Regarding the term "elite" it is like the word "hero" it is much over used.

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Post by Gerst » 18 Aug 2006, 19:14

I sure wish I could find some detailed information about the Lehtruppen period. My father was stationed in Romania for three months - Rosiori de Vede.
I have asked a couple of Romanian fellows if anyone remembers this period but I haven't received a positive response. When the corps deployed south to Bulgaria on 3 March 1941 dad began to work with Bugarian officers as well and units of the two armies often paraded together, as on Hero Remembrance Day. I believe that some German units even received support from Bulgarina units, such as field bakeries.

In the end, I guess soldiers always get along, even if their leaders are pushed into situations. A grunt is a grunt in any army!

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Post by logibear64 » 19 Aug 2006, 21:42

I am sure there is further information in the National Archives either in the relavent Korps or maybe in the OKW records. I know there is a group of records on the Germans attached to the Italian army and the Military Mission in Rome.

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Post by Gerst » 20 Aug 2006, 01:36

What is sad is the fact that I lived in Alexandria, Virginia from 1956 - 1963 and again from 1970 to 1978. I could have spent hours doing research, but I was busy going to college (UVa: 63 - 67), working and raising a family. Now that I have the time, I'm 1,000 miles away in Texas. Now I have to rely on books and friends like all of you for help! Of course I could have talked to my father too.

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Post by Gerst » 20 Aug 2006, 01:37

What is sad is the fact that I lived in Alexandria, Virginia from 1956 - 1963 and again from 1970 to 1978. I could have spent hours doing research, but I was busy going to college (UVa: 63 - 67), working and raising a family. Now that I have the time, I'm 1,000 miles away in Texas. Now I have to rely on books and friends like all of you for help! Of course I could have talked to my father too.

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Post by Andreas » 21 Aug 2006, 14:26

logibear64 wrote:There is a whole history that could be written about the Romanian army's role in WW2. However, it will not appear in English I am afraid.
Have you tried Axworthy's 'Third Axis, Fourth Ally'?

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Re: Lehrtruppen - Deutsches Heeresmission Rumänien 1941

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Post by tigre » 23 Apr 2016, 00:59

Hello to all :D; a little complement...............................

The DHM in Romania!

From 22 October 1940 onwards, the 13. Pz Div moved as teaching (Lehr) troops to Romania in the area Brasow - Roman - Bacau - Ploesti. In Romania, the Division received the designation of "Lehrstab R", and by December 10, 1940, "Lehrstab R I of the German troops in Romania". This division was followed during the winter of 1940-1941 by the 16. Pz Div as "Lehrstab R II"

Sources: http://www.ebay.ch/itm/Div-Grosdeutschl ... SwJQdW~mNs
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n/16PD.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n/13PD.htm

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Maj. Graf Strachwitz (I. / PR 2) and General Hube with Romanian officers in Hermannstadt 1940 .....................
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Re: Lehrtruppen - Deutsches Heeresmission Rumänien 1941

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Post by tigre » 26 May 2016, 01:39

Hello to all :D; a little more...............................

The DHM in Romania!

The PR 2 as a Training Unit (Lehr-Truppe).

In late December 1940, the armored regiment was designated as training unit for the troops of the Romanian army and therefore moved through southern Germany, Austria, Hungary to Romania. On Christmas Eve 1940, the first elements of the regiment were transported and detrained in Mediaş and Sighişoara (Schäßburg). The Regimental HQ and the HQ of the I. Abteilung (Detachment) took their accommodation in Mediaş, while the HQ of II. Abteilung was lodged in Sighişoara (Schäßburg). The companies were distributed, respectively, in the surrounding villages. After a period of training in Romania, the HQ of the regiment and II. Abteilung moved south. Tanks and wheeled vehicles rolled in laborious marches through the oil region of Ploesti - Umpina on Bucharest-Sinaia and reached the Danube at Girgiu.

Sources: http://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Docu ... iNardo.pdf
http://www.ebay.de/itm/11-Pz-Div-Pz-Rgt ... 7675.l2557
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n / 16PD.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n / 13PD.htm

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Military parade of the PR 2 together with Romanian officers in Sibiu / Hermannstadt on January 26, 1941 ...............................
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Re: Lehrtruppen - Deutsches Heeresmission Rumänien 1941

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Post by tigre » 28 Jan 2019, 18:52

Hello to all :D; a little more...............................

The German Military Mission in Romania 1940-41!

Sources: https://subastas.catawiki.es/kavels/187 ... ur-weapons

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On the occasion of Romania's accession to the Tripartite Pact a parade was held in Bucharest; in the Royal Box, the Chief of the General Military Mission d. Kav. Hansen, the young Monarch Miguel I and the Head of State General Antonescu among others..................................
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Re: Lehrtruppen - Deutsches Heeresmission Rumänien 1941

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Post by tigre » 09 Feb 2019, 20:00

Hello to all :D; a little more...............................

The German Military Mission in Romania 1940-41!

Sources: https://aste.catawiki.it/kavels/1871285 ... ur-weapons

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German tanks in front of King Michael; in the foreground a pair of Pz Kw III............
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