Pz.Füs.Btl ?? / Führer-Grenadier-Brigade

Bernd R · #1

Hi all,

Jan-Hendrik wrote :

No , the mistake was done by HPA.!

A similar case ( but the error is not as huge as here ) was Hensel , see :

http://www.feldgrau.net/phpBB2.....hp?t=21393

In a thread on Genmaj Adolf Fischer, we noticed, that obviously the HPA put a wrong
unit on the "Ritterkreuz-Kartei-Karte" of this recipient. This case still not solved totally.

Jan-Hendrik did make the remark on Hensel :
KC : Hensel, Herbert 05.03.1945 Hauptmann Kdr Pz.Füs.Btl Führer-Grenadier-Brigade

now, I found another recipient :
Lehnhoff, Ernst-Günter 12.12.1944 Major Kdr Pz.Füs.Btl / Führer-Grenadier-Brigade

Now, obviously this unit didn't exist ? Or indeed it did ? Anyone knows ?
Another error of the HPA ?

is this "Pz.Füs.Btl" eventually :
part of Pz.Rgt 101 (formed jan 1945) , II. Abt from former I. Füs.Btl of Pz.Gren.Rgt 99 ?
found this info here (don't know, from where lexikon have this info) :
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /PR101.htm

but, according the award date for Lehnhoff (12/1944) and the unit Brigade !
the mysterious Füs.Btl must have been part of Brig already !
maybe one btl of the "Kampfgruppe Führer-Grenadier-Brigade" in sept/oct 1944 ?

Thanks for any info, hints or conclusions
luchs

Jan-Hendrik · #2

Dear Bernd , a good hint to this mysterious ( and surely not existing ) PzFüsBtl./FGBrg. you may find here :

http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic ... l&start=15

Jan-Hendrik

Bernd R · #3

Thanks Jan-Hendrik,

good info there.

Just as a small addition :
it could have happened, that the unit, resp. the leaders/staff of the unit named
themselves Pz.Füs.Btl. They just created this "tradition" by themselves (?).

Don't recall in the moment, but other examples for a behaviour like that ?

luchs

Jan-Hendrik · #4

Hm , would the HPA "accept" such "traditional" names ? I have seen the name "Panzerregiment von Rothenburg" on documents of 7.PzDiv , but those were ones given out on the divisional "level" like EK II , VWA and such stuff . But for such things like RK , several levels higher ? I don't believe so . But these are really cases which causes even the experts grey hairs ( if they have still such

) ...

Jan-Hendrik

Jan-Hendrik · #5

Hey , fellows , no further comment ?

Jan-Hendrik

Bernd R · #6

This puzzle is most probably solved IMO. The Bataillon and the designation did exist !

See this thread : http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic ... ben#117777
Quoted what colleague MArtin Block stated there :

Bei den "Pz.Füs." handelte es sich jedoch möglicherweise um ein Brig. bzw. Div. internes 'Ding', über das übergeordnete Dienststellen nicht oder zumindest unvollständig oder zu spät informiert wurden! ...
Unter dem Befehl des Pz.Rgt.Stabes 101 standen nämlich
- als I.(Pz.)/Pz.Rgt. 101 die ehem. II./Pz.Rgt. GD
- als II. Btl. das eigentlich offiziell als I.(gp.)/Pz.Gren.Rgt. 99 vorgesehene ehem. I.(gp.)/Fhr.Gren.Brig. [= wahrscheinlich das geheimnisvolle Pz.Füs.Btl.!]

If I got this all correctly Panzerfüsilier-Bataillon / Führer-Grenadier-Brigade
-> did exist and was called (Pz-)Füs.Btl already , when it was I.Btl FGB
-> later did face a formation process : I.Btl/Pz.Gren.Rgt 99 , then II.Abt or Btl ? /Pz.Rgt 101

I'm keeping up my statements made already, think it was quite near the most probable reality :

it could have happened, that the unit, resp. the leaders/staff of the unit named
themselves Pz.Füs.Btl. They just created this "tradition" by themselves (?).

is this "Pz.Füs.Btl" eventually :
part of Pz.Rgt 101 (formed jan 1945) , II. Abt from former I. Füs.Btl of Pz.Gren.Rgt 99 ?
found this info here (don't know, from where lexikon have this info) :
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /PR101.htm

Bernd