Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Urmel » 30 Apr 2011 14:06

Thanks. The quite heavy clothing also would indicate January or February, I should think. That's very helpful.
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Peter H » 01 May 2011 01:07

Here's another mystery gun from the same source (well anyway not a LG40).
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Urmel » 01 May 2011 20:24

Russian 7.62cm Zis-3 gun? A number of these were sent over with the 5 Jan convoy. So this could have been a demonstration of new artillery items to high-level officers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76_mm_divi ... 28ZiS-3%29
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by David W » 01 May 2011 21:26

Russian 7.62cm Zis-3 gun?
Looks like it, doesn't it.

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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Urmel » 01 May 2011 21:29

It could be the FSV-22, not 100% certain, but 99% certain it's one of the two.
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 01 May 2011 21:34

That is definitely the 76.2mm F-22 divisional gun, the Germans called it the the Pak 36(r) or the Feldkanone 296(r).
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by David W » 01 May 2011 21:35

Muzzle brake? Did one have one, and the other not.

(I was addressing JBond, but Alan's post just got their first, I'm adding this to avoid confusion).

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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Urmel » 02 May 2011 19:23

Alan is right, at least from what I can see. The F-22 had no recuperator above the barrel, while the Zis-3 did. The gun in the picture doesn't have one.
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Urmel » 01 Jun 2011 15:07

David W wrote:JBond.

I understand from shipping documents & monthly returns figures, that the guns were 10cm LG 2 (Not sure of full & correct designation) & that they were in North Africa.
Okay, I have found a document in the DAK WD which is from 9 Jan 42 and states that 4 LG2 (correct LG42) were in North Africa with the artillery battery.
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by radiosmersh » 17 Dec 2020 20:29

Lehrbataillon XI. Flieger-Korps.jpg
Source is NARA T-313 R-437
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Urmel » 19 Dec 2020 14:37

Thanks for this. Do you have the archive signature? Is that from the documents held by Russian archives?
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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by radiosmersh » 19 Dec 2020 16:29

Urmel wrote:
19 Dec 2020 14:37
Thanks for this. Do you have the archive signature? Is that from the documents held by Russian archives?
The report comes from the NARA microfilm roll T-313 R-437 (Panzer Army Africa), as I stated in my message:
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Source is NARA T-313 R-437

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Re: Demonstration para Unit (Lehrtruppe) XI. Flieger-Korps ?

Post by Urmel » 21 Dec 2020 17:07

Ah sorry, I overlooked that! Many thanks.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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